I really don’t remember feeling that the semi final loss was in any way Vorm’s fault. I remember being pissed off with Dembele for fucking about and losing the ball which led to the first goal, and then the team being pretty poor from then on. Very harsh to now decide it was all Vorm’s fault.
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Manager Mauricio Pochettino
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First goal was 100% Dembeles fault. Vorm had zero chance for their equaliser and I have no doubt if Lloris conceded it he wouldn't have been blamed.
This is going to end in you contradicting yourself yet again. You consistently state we are miles away from Utd, from Chelsea, from City, from Woolwich and Liverpool. You say that we aren't an elite football club, that we are not at their level. And forms part of your reasoning on why we should "focus on the cups". Bye and large I share that view,we are miles and miles behind those cubs in terms of finance and when measured on how many league titles we have won, we are dwarfed by most of those. (I don't share the prioritising the cups line though).
But here is what doesn't make sense at all with what you say. What makes us a side (with the squads you have listed) good enough to win a cup when we get tonked by those teams that finish above us? When we finished every single year below them?
You are aware that the higher up the table you finish, the better side you are? Are you aware that the cups have been totally dominated in the last 30yrs by teams who finish in the top 1-4 spots? It stands to absolute reason that the better you are (higher you finish) the greater the chance of winning a cup?
We have been challenging for a title, our rivals were absolutely shitting themselves that we were going to win a title. We are spoken as title contenders. This seems to irk you, you are so determined not to admit this. Totally bizzre.
He absolutely wasn't at fault for either of the two goals. You are crazy to suggest that he was. In fact, up until just now, you are the first person I have ever heard say that he was at fault for our loss and their goals.
He's the manager, he can pick anyone he wants. Why do you think he selected Kane or Eriksen? Seeing as he was out to disrespect and betray fans maybe they were selected as some kind of last minute moment of madness or feeling a sense of guilt for selecting Vorm.
But we don’t get consistently tonked by them do we? We have beaten the likes of United, Woolwich Chelsea and Liverpool and City on numerous occasions since the start of the Redknapp tenure. If we are capable of beating these sides in single league games then we are perfectly capable of beating them in cup games but we don’t.
And yes the higher league placing the better side but that hasn’t translated into cup wins for us. We have finished above inferior Woolwich and United sides in recent seasons and yet they have won FA Cups, League Cups and a UEFA cup and we nothing. And what about the fact that we have often been the wealthiest side in the Europa but struggle to progress beyond the group or second round qualifier? How do you account for that? I’m interested in you excuse for that one.
You seriously live in some warped bubble of positive delusion and supposed agendas. No one gave a shit about our supposed challenge. No one considered Woolwich to be challengers to Leicester in the season we blew 2nd but you want to believe that somehow we were. If you finish 11 points behind one title winner and 7 behind the other then that’s not competing for the championship. It’s delusional to believe such a thing.
Oh please..He stood like a statue as the first went past him (again)
and the second went straight underneath his body.
Shocking performance that was criticised by all and sundry on here in the match thread.
Poch dropping Hugo for Vorm in a semi final v United was a clear indication of our attitude towards the FA cup
When over the summer and the transfer window opened then shut again our manager would have been in the loop regards the non-event that was our transfer dealings,he must have known that as the summer went on it looked ever more likely we weren’t going to buy anyone! He must been ready for that challenge and what the fall out would be,if negative.
That loss was not Vorm’s fault.
It’s not as if Poch filled the team with kids and reserves, he played a strong side and clearly wanted to win. How pissed off and upset he was in the post-match interview showed that. It’s ridiculous to claim that he didn’t care about the outcome of that game.
He certainly accepts it.
And Enic provide it - who are the real villains here.
Why do you think he dropped ever present Hugo Lloris for weekly bench warmer Vorm. In what many Spurs fans considered our biggest domestic game of the season? What's your theory?
No, we didn't constantly beat them under Redknapp. Struggling to think of a win against any of them where we beat them well or comfortably or weren't hanging on for dear life. Prior to playing any of them, we were rightly underdogs. I used to attend these games hoping not to get spanked. The only game that comes to mind is when we beat Liverpool 4-0 under Redknapp. But any win against any of these teams was seen and treated like we had won a cup final.
This feeling has now completely left me. Based on relative form I might feel apprehensive about a game, but I no longer think we will get tonked. But winning against this lot is now commonplace and sometimes even expected. We are also seen as favourites in some of them too. Poch has done this, it's this that has transformed the feeling around the club.
Have a bit of patience, we have only just broken into the top four in the past 3yrs, this lot have finished above us for fucking decades!!
As for no one gave a shit about our supposed challenge, what the fuck are you smoking? ALL of our rivals were absolutely shitting themselves, they believed we could win. Chelsea fans sung Leicesters name! Our challenge for the title ended against WBA, what happened after that is what happens when you ask a professional athlete to finish 2nd whilst their eyes were on finishing 1st, it hurt us supporters (the Newcastle game, plus a part of the Chelsea game and the Southampton game) but I do understand why our fight had gone, the players didn't give a shit about finishing 2nd, 3rd. This contributed to a larger numerical gap.
Woolwich weren't challenges, that's why no one gave a shit about them, it wasn't a mathematical possibility for them to win, they dropped out of the race way before us, I don't think they were even in a race since Jan.
There is one thing I can absolutely assure you of, we are seen as a rival for a title, there are favourites, of which we aren't one of them, but you ask any supporter at any of our top 6 rivals and we are in that conversation, we are now feared by each and every one. Sorry if this piece of news finds you deeply upset, rage against that all you like and you will have people laugh you out of the room.
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Dembele played no part in there first?
Tripps and Davies played no part in their 2nd.
How many chances did Kane, Eriksen, Dele miss? There might have been more chances I've forgotten about in the first quarter of the game, but they played no part in the game, they didn't matter? Oh, Dier the absolute bastard, did he disrespect you when he hit the post instead of scoring?
I've gone onto a match thread in here before, no thanks, we can by 4-0 up and all there is is people slagging off players, sorry fella, if you are forming and validating opinion of a performance on what is written in a match thread on here, you need to seriously reevaluate what you are doing.
Vorm had NOTHING to do with losing that game.
That is such a fucking dumb comment it doesn't even warrent a reply. Delusional.
Getting selective now. Choosing to ignore everything else that was asked, has the cat got your tongue at this crucial phase?
Your thoughts on the questions asked of you......
Dembele played no part in there first?
Tripps and Davies played no part in their 2nd?
How many chances did Kane, Eriksen, Dele miss? There might have been more chances I've forgotten about in the first quarter of the game, but they played no part in the game, they didn't matter?
Oh, Dier the absolute bastard, did he disrespect you when he hit the post instead of scoring?
Last 4 matches that Vorm has played, we've given away 2 goals in each of them. Even managed to give out 2 goals to the likes of Rochdale and 3 goals to Westham last season. He makes us so significantly worse that its impossible for a manager to deliberately pick him over Lloris for any match.
So your crystal ball is better then?
I reckon you are right. When I read that old cunt, Joe Lewis, was over recently to wander around the building site, my lip curled in disgust.
Personally because I think he had told him he would be playing our FA cup games and he wanted to honour this, whilst giving Hugo a rest so that we could also focus on ensuring a top 4 spot in the league. I imagine he trusted Vorm. Maybe in giving Vorm games in the FA Cup he was pushing competition between him and Hugo. I believe you often say yourself that our players should have someone to compete with them, to keep them on their game. Whatever I think, it seems pretty crystal clear to me that Poch badly wants to win a trophy with us, and he was clearly hugely gutted that we lost that semi final.
No, because Vorm played. I can see what he did. I don't need a crystal ball to tell me what I saw actually happen.
You’ve claimed him playing had nothing to do with us losing - that is delusional at best.