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I respectfully disagree with a lot of your views, but on this media bias issue I make you absolutely right. I'd wager that on every major PL message board there's a thread where fans are convinced there's a media conspiracy against them. United, Liverpool, Woolwich...they all have supporters who are convinced of some kind of agenda against their club.
This is correct. You only have to peep at RAWK to see that they believe we are the press darlings. Doesn’t make it true though.
I posted an example in the media bias thread. We were level on points with Liverpool with a game in hand, the article was about who would finish higher, Liverpool or Utd. If we had finished below Liverpool, I might be willing to accept that they had some insight into how things would pan out that I couldn't see. But they didn't, in fact they very rarely do. Despite all the pundits seeing it as nailed on.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions with hard evidence (I’m too lazy to go searching because I try not to do anything that will end up annoying the fuck out of me)
Every clubs fanbase thinks their is a bias against them, you are 100% correct. Fans from all clubs are protective against their clubs and take a default option to protect their club that they love, they get angered at insinuations that they are shit, that player x, y or z is shit or that their manager should have done x, y or z. I'm not disputing that for one second. It forms probably 80%(completely guessing) of the relationship between media and fans. It works because it creates response, response creates clicks, views and engagement, engagement = £££££. Nice things get read but generates far less engagement with the actual supporter base. That said what's on the rise is the interaction of the rival fan abuse and anger that a "nice" or positive piece then generates. Journalists get bombarded with shit from supporters on a negative piece they have written, then get shit from rival fans if they have written a positive piece.
For sure our season over Chelsea's. My point is Poch is upping the ante, which is fair enough, and I think it's good for us supporters, but the only real improvement is silverware now. Having less of a gap between us and Man City isn't really the next step, it's still losing, or not winning I should say.
Only 10 uses of the word “narrative” in this one.Every clubs fanbase thinks their is a bias against them, you are 100% correct. Fans from all clubs are protective against their clubs and take a default option to protect their club that they love, they get angered at insinuations that they are shit, that player x, y or z is shit or that their manager should have done x, y or z. I'm not disputing that for one second. It forms probably 80%(completely guessing) of the relationship between media and fans. It works because it creates response, response creates clicks, views and engagement, engagement = £££££. Nice things get read but generates far less engagement with the actual supporter base. That said what's on the rise is the interaction of the rival fan abuse and anger that a "nice" or positive piece then generates. Journalists get bombarded with shit from supporters on a negative piece they have written, then get shit from rival fans if they have written a positive piece.
I'm saying there is a "narrative". This narrative that Spurs have is that Spurs can't keep hold of their players and manager. Are you saying this narrative doesn't exist?
As detailed in previous posts all Clubs have a narrative set around them too, it's not just a Spurs thing. The narrative that surrounds the other clubs I bet is just as annoying to their fans too. Liverpool's poor defence is their narrative, whilst there are kernels of truth about a shit goal keeper, or a dodgy CB they actually have the 4th best defence in the league, just two gaols worse off than us. A narrative that really doesn't represent the reality, which is no doubt really fucking annoying to their supporters. It is something that the media will mention pre-match and post-match. If Lovren or their keeper makes a mistake then it fuels the narrative but the reality is they are in the top 10% of defensives in the country. When a narrative takes hold it is picked up on and regurgitated by rival fans as a truth. The result is large swaths of the clubs own fanbase stop defending it and start to repeat it. It's why I have challenged you and Nikesh (most recently) on the subject of keeping our players and manager. I wouldn't be doing this if we were unable to keep our players (I expect we will lose a player here and there because I acknowledge our place in the football pyramid) but we have only lost ONE.
Our narrative of selling our players not our manager is false. It's false because we have only lost one player (Walker) in the period Poch has been our manager. I'm saying this doesn't warrant the narrative, it doesn't support it one bit. In fact it's false and totally inaccurate.
Mick Cooper
will be disappointed. 
Clearly I need to up the count. People still confusing the word "narrative" with the word "bias".
It's my favourite buzzword
I don't think you quite understand what narrative meansEvery clubs fanbase thinks their is a bias against them, you are 100% correct. Fans from all clubs are protective against their clubs and take a default option to protect their club that they love, they get angered at insinuations that they are shit, that player x, y or z is shit or that their manager should have done x, y or z. I'm not disputing that for one second. It forms probably 80%(completely guessing) of the relationship between media and fans. It works because it creates response, response creates clicks, views and engagement, engagement = £££££. Nice things get read but generates far less engagement with the actual supporter base. That said what's on the rise is the interaction of the rival fan abuse and anger that a "nice" or positive piece then generates. Journalists get bombarded with shit from supporters on a negative piece they have written, then get shit from rival fans if they have written a positive piece.
I'm saying there is a "narrative". This narrative that Spurs have is that Spurs can't keep hold of their players and manager. Are you saying this narrative doesn't exist?
As detailed in previous posts all Clubs have a narrative set around them too, it's not just a Spurs thing. The narrative that surrounds the other clubs I bet is just as annoying to their fans too. Liverpool's poor defence is their narrative, whilst there are kernels of truth about a shit goal keeper, or a dodgy CB they actually have the 4th best defence in the league, just two gaols worse off than us. A narrative that really doesn't represent the reality, which is no doubt really fucking annoying to their supporters. It is something that the media will mention pre-match and post-match. If Lovren or their keeper makes a mistake then it fuels the narrative but the reality is they are in the top 10% of defences in the country. When a narrative takes hold it is picked up on and regurgitated by rival fans as a truth. The result is large swaths of the clubs own fanbase stop defending it and start to repeat it. It's why I have challenged you and Nikesh (most recently) on the subject of keeping our players and manager. I wouldn't be doing this if we were unable to keep our players (I expect we will lose a player here and there because I acknowledge our place in the football pyramid) but we have only lost ONE.
Our narrative of selling our players not our manager is false. It's false because we have only lost one player (Walker) in the period Poch has been our manager. I'm saying this doesn't warrant the narrative, it doesn't support it one bit. In fact it's false and totally inaccurate.
Yea, we talk about how Liverpool fans are always the victims, but then the same people here are always acting like the media hates us, fa hates us, everyone hates us.
Pretty much every team has this mentality
