The club seem to be quite good at prioritising long term goals over short term goals these days much to the frustration of 99% of fans. So I think they will be already trying to decide whats best for VDV to avoid these issues next season, and won't be prioritising getting him back to try and win the Europa League unless they are sure he's fully ready.
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Yep, I'm not disagreeing with any of that (well, except excluding 'mythical' games because they don't suit an agenda, but that's a completely different conversation) - but your original post began "Nah There is solid evidence that bottom half PL teams have a bounce", as though the statisical theory post that you were responding to was just rubbish - it isn't. If that's not what you meant, and it was actually just a poorly expressed attempt to say "fine (as opposed to 'nah'), but also some new managers do make a big difference" then fine - my point was that both can be relevant, i.e the impact of a new manager, and the reversion to the mean, I wouldn't 'nah' either of them, and neither should anyone else.
Fair enough. I am genuinely interested in what your view of "mean" would be in this context though (not pointscoring here).Yep, I'm not disagreeing with any of that (well, except excluding 'mythical' games because they don't suit an agenda, but that's a completely different conversation) - but your original post began "Nah There is solid evidence that bottom half PL teams have a bounce", as though the statisical theory post that you were responding to was just rubbish - it isn't. If that's not what you meant, and it was actually just a poorly expressed attempt to say "fine (as opposed to 'nah'), but also some new managers do make a big difference" then fine - my point was that both can be relevant, i.e the impact of a new manager, and the reversion to the mean, I wouldn't 'nah' either of them, and neither should anyone else.
I've PM'd you - we've already taken this thread miles off track enough times today...
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A real shame about VdV. Our best player imv. New left footed CB and Danso to start next season?
I was fully aware it's out of date, I was sharing it to show there are probability calculations that aren't based on betting odds.So what was the point of posting it? What was it meant to add to the conversation when we already had TODAY'S figures from the Betfair Exchange? I assumed you were trying to justify your claim that we currently have a 10% chance of winning the EL - that table doesn't do that at all, infact if anything more recent versions of that table help to back up Rich's suggestion... :/
EDIT: Aha, you've updated above to explain. It doesn't do that either though - contrasting two odds that are 5 months' apart doesn't demonstrate any point - if you showed me the Betfair odds from late September, on the same day as your table, that might have been a different story.
The 10% was just a guess to illustrate that the real probability in football is likely to be lower than the odds implied probability. That the old Opta stats was 9% was a nice coincidence.
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Yep a a new LCB which should have been priority in the summer along with a LB and DM. But spurs will be spurs
hopefully not a busted flush like Richie, still young enough to fully recover .
Probably find out when he still hasn't returned a month from now that he needs surgery.
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Injuries go down if we pretend they don't exist 
He’ll be fine with a leas suicidal system. Maybe a few ‘vanity’ appearances in dead rubbers later in the season: no need to damage him for the new coach in August.
Agree. With a degree of sadness.
Never forget Ange picked VDV as LB in the cup and it was on his left side that VDV made a totally unnecessary intervention on the left side damaging his hamstring.
While I do suspect there is an element of VDV ( and Romero ) saying “fuck this shambles” ultimately the suicide football tactics are the primary thing that needs calling out.
Someone said The other day about Levy, probably being pissed off that these multi million pound assets were being managed properly.
Exclusive: Micky van de Ven pushed hard to be included in Spurs’ squad for the match against Elfsborg on January 30, after being left out for Leicester on January 26 - a decision that left him “extremely disappointed.”
The Dutch centre-back grew increasingly frustrated with repeated delays to his return. He believed he was fully fit as early as the week commencing January 13 but was held back from full training by the club’s medical staff.
Elfsborg was not initially earmarked as his comeback game, but pressure from Van de Ven led to a compromise. It was agreed that he would play 60 minutes, but after reporting cramps at half-time, he was substituted.
The following day (January 31), Van de Ven complained of “hamstring tightness” to the medical staff and has not returned to training since.
Spurs have launched an internal investigation into the handling of his injury, with senior figures concerned about the management of their multi-million-pound assets.
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Van de Ven left back- total insanity to me that he was tried there.
He still hasn't tried converting any of our CMs to an emergency fullback role, which is very strange. One of the few positions other than CM/CDM that Bisssouma or Bentancur could possibly excel in.
He played a fair bit at LB before we bought him. Not saying it was a good move but hardly crazy
Romero and Maddison have definitely said fuck this. They know full well Ange is amateur hour and have completely checked out. Romero is 100% off in the summer and I think Maddison will push for a move too.
I understand- fair point. For me you just don't play your first choice CBs out of position, pretty much ever. Almost everything else builds forward from those choices. VdV was already known from last season as not having the best lateral movement when he got done by Isak.
Either way he should leave.
The way he's being made to play will kill his career.
Even if he might want to push on to maintain his international prospects - perfectly understandable, though not advisable - he should put his health 'n fitness first and go.
And if Baldcunt is concerned about assets being damaged under this fucking manager, he should fucking sack him!
Maybe but VDV's first, and worst, hamstring injury happened at Wolfsburg before we signed him.
Alarm bells should have gone up last season. There are surgeries that can help with these type of things. Horse has bolted now sadly
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