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You're strawmanning. I haven't said anything about him replacing Dembele. We already have our long-term Dembele replacement, Harry Winks. Dier/Wanyama with Winks is our future CM partnership. All are 26 and under.
Sissoko is near the team when Winks is fit though. So, based on that (whether he should be is not the point, he is), I am looking at Modric to take those 1500 minutes. Not Dembele's or Winks'.
Modric's best years are behind him. I didn't claim otherwise. So for the 2nd time, you're strawmanning. But your best being behind you doesn't make you bad. Lionel Messi's best is also behind him. Doesn't make any less useful, he still does his job just fine, like Modric.
Modric wouldn't hinder youth development. Which CM in our Academy are you suggesting a couple of years of Modric would hinder? Oliver Skipp? He's 17 and won't be ready for a couple years at the earliest. Oakley-Boothe? Also 17. Winks would learn from Modric, like he does with Dembele. As would they all.
Now onto the 3rd thing you've said I've said, which I haven't. ''Just repeated how great he's been last few seasons, no one disagrees''.
Modric can't be ''finished at the top level'' whilst also agreeing with my assessment that he's been good.
What I've actually said, is about this current season. I didn't mention 2015/16 or 2016/17. The only other seasons I mentioned were his Spurs seasons. So to what I was actually arguing against...He hasn't ''fallen off a cliff'' and refuted your claim that he's having a poor season. Fyi, Modric has been great for many seasons but stick to the words I actually say. Anyone can make stuff up and argue against it.
Poch accommodated Sanchez because of injuries? Toby and Jan lined up next to Sanchez on his debut when we switched to 3 at the back v. Everton. They then lined up with him in our next game v. Dortmund.
So which injury exactly was Poch accommodating for when making this tactical switch?
Hence I said potential CM's. Isco plays AM, but can play CM. All the others could fll that role out of the players on the level of Modric.
Harry Winks is our long term Dembele replacement. Stop putting words in my mouth. I've said over and over I see Modric as a replacement for Sissoko. Anyone can make up something and argue against it to make themself look a genius
Now, you say there are so many other options better than Luka Modric for CM?
Name them.
The injury was Toby for the last few months
Out of those 1500 mins Sissoko got how many were while Winks was injured, cup games and out wide? Winks looks promising but we don’t know whether he’ll develop as far as the next Carrick. So we need to make provisions in the meantime with a Dembele replacement for the next 2-3 seasons min
Modric IS playing poorer this season and he mostl definitely WON’T be on the same level he was for us 6-7 years ago. So yes - he is finished at the top Prem level. Pointless signings and one Poch would never sanction. I loved Luka but this one makes no sense at 33
We need to buy the next Modric or Berbatov - not the top 30 players you’ve googled who are all made stars at top club. When have we ever bought such players?
Did you know Modric before he came or ever seen him play? That’s why we pay scouts. Few names that come to mind are Chochev, Cebalos, Pulisic, Soler and even Keita (Liverpool’s target)
He changed to 3 at the back before Toby's injury, so long before Toby's injury in fact, that we played with Toby-Sanchez-Jan at the back 9 times before Toby got injured against Real Madrid. Even when Vertonghen covered at LB he stuck to 3 at the back with either Davies or Dier moving in. So no, Poch didn't change the system to accommodate Toby's injury. He changed it to include Sanchez.
So it's you that is looking to replace Dembele, not me. We know more about Winks being a potential heir than some unnamed player your suggesting we bring in. You said there ''so many other options'' better than Luka Modric available for CM.
Could you provide some names?
I didn't say Modric would be on the same level as he was before. I said he'd still be of the requisite quality. Again, stop putting words in my mouth.
Subtle change from ''top level'' to ''top prem level'', I see. Sneaky.
So, about those ''so many better options''? Who you thinking?
Pulisic doesn't play CM. Keita is a Liverpool PLAYER not target. Carlos Soler has played RM all season but a nice idea. Chochev plays lower league Italian football and is a better option than Luka Modric? Don't think it's me on the drink. Cebalos is good but plays for Real Madrid, who won't sell and still, he's playing behind Luka Modric, so how is he a better option now than Modric, or in the future better than Winks?
You say we don't know if Winks will succeed. We know a hell of a lot more about Winks' potential at CM for Spurs than any of those players.
Of course it’s Prem level - are we going to compete in Spain?
Sanchez is 21 and one for the future - why would Poch change a winning formation for a has been player?
Unnamed player? As in lesser known? Like Modric was or Dele or Walker from Sheffield?
I ask again - when has Poch ever done such a Harry signing apart from Llorente?
Your ignorance is baffling - all those players are EXACTLY the type of player Poch has been bringing in to blood through the ranks instead of some overpaid prima Donna looking for a last paycheck who’s well passed it. That’s why we have Turkey and the MLS. Poch would never bring Modric to keep on the bench and pay massive wages while taking up a spot for the next Winks or Alli.
Now, now. That's not what you said. You said...
I'm just refuting your argument with the facts. Don't change your tune now. Just hold your hands up.
Oh, apart from the obvious example. That doesn't count no?
There's alot of things Poch hadn't done before, he's a young manager. He's not going to do the same things now for the rest of his career. He'll evolve. You think Sir Alex Ferguson did the same things at 45 he did at 65?
I think the option of getting one of the best players in the world may sway him to consider something new.
Trying to dismiss Modric as a Harry signing equivalent of Pienaar, Saha and Nelsen is a bit silly.
Do you automatically become a Harry signing when you hit 30?
Lionel Messi is fucked.
I'm saying if we bought Modric, Poch would develop a suitable plan for him whenever he felt like using him. Just like he did with Sanchez. Having more strings to your bow is a good thing. Don't be so scared of change. Poch changed a winning formation from last year just this season, so he's shown he'll adapt and evolve.
Not just lesser known Arc, but lesser quality. Those players you mentioned are not at Luka Modric's level. Nor would they be in the next ''2-3 years min''. I think Winks is a better option than all of them anyway.
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No, I don't understand because you shat on our dreams.
I'd still take him back though, just will never be a Tottenham legend like he could have been, that's reserved for those who make our dreams their dreams, like Kane and a few others.
Bench? Again, he'd replace Sissoko, who has 20 starts this season. Not the next Winks or Dele. Fyi, Winks and Dele are the next Winks and Dele. Their heirs like Oliver Skipp and TAB aren't going to be in the 1st team squad for at least 2 seasons, so no Modric wouldn't be keeping them out.
My ignorance?
You named Pulisic, a winger/wing back as a better option than Luka Modric at CM for Spurs.
You named Naby Keita, a guy who has already signed for Liverpool and will join in July as a better option than Luka Modric at CM for Spurs.
You named Chochev playing in Serie B as a better option than Luka Modric at CM for Spurs.
You named Cebalos, a Real golden boy and their future at CM as a better option at CM for Spurs.
You named Carlos Soler, who's played RM all year as a better option at CM for Spurs.
You then said we changed formation and started Sanchez due to injury. Provably false.
My ignorance indeed.
Nah, never a legend. He could have been but he no likey chicken badge.
Only one reason I see. The rat wants out of the sinking ship. Once a rat...
King Rat though, the best player in his position in Europe.
Would he make us better? Of course he would.
Him and Thiago head and shoulders above the rest. Although he's been out for a little bit.
Truly fabulous footballer, joy to watch. Joy to argue with so many Spurs fans who for years didn't have a clue what he did, until he left. Real Madrid's best player and has been for at least 2yrs. But he fucked us, I'm not talking about simply leaving either, players of his calibre will leave to the likes of real Madrid whilst quadrupling their wages, he's not a Spurs fan. My complaint is the way he left, no class whatsoever. People should be judged on their actions and his actions stunk the place out. Bet he's trying to butter us up with nice words as he has a book due out or some such, he will rely on Spurs fans to boost the book sales, well not me you rat faced cunt.
Oh really? Fuck that.
I'm guessing.