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i'm a disco dude so i can't stop saying maurice gibbs white

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My gut feeling is the agent is gonna have to fall on his sword and say he revealed the clause. The deal will go through, he’ll get his percentage, but he might get fined or get a ban.
Both the agent and Levy can deny the clause was released and that the offer was just co-incidence. The key thing is that Levy always tries to lowball. The real problem is if Levy did actually approach MGW and his agent without Forest’s permission. It goes on all the time and seems to be just part of the game but old Mr Greek naive has thrown a strop.
 
Both the agent and Levy can deny the clause was released and that the offer was just co-incidence. The key thing is that Levy always tries to lowball. The real problem is if Levy did actually approach MGW and his agent without Forest’s permission. It goes on all the time and seems to be just part of the game but old Mr Greek naive has thrown a strop.
There's a certain comic irony is that we have maybe the one owner who, confronted with having bid 25 million too low, can say "That's just how I roll." and be believed.
 
I think its you are taking a risk joining a 'lesser' team and want the option to progress. Club wanta five year deal and you dont want to be tied in if a bigger club comes in. You demand a compromise that if you make £x amount profit i can leave. Club isn't happy but its the only way they sign. In order to ensure your not inviting bids club demands a nda.

Players are bid on all the time, clause could be met.

Club wants the player to sign and a long deal.
Player wants the option to progress.
Compromise is a release clause.

Depends upon agents keeping their mouths shut. If NF made CL then this wouldn't have mattered as they wouldnt be offering him around.

Kudos release clause of 85m was to invite bids hence public. MGW was put in to allow him to leave hence club insisted it was private
Great explanation, thanks. The part that is most confusing to me is, all that being true, how exactly would a team make an offer for a player with a confidential escape clause. If they can decide who can approach the player, then what value to the player is the clause. The team could just sit there and tell the potential buyer, "We'll do a deal for 80 million (knowing the clause is for 60)." How do the player and his agent know an offer has been made. Sorry for being slow on the uptake on this, but it seems very complicated.
 
Great explanation, thanks. The part that is most confusing to me is, all that being true, how exactly would a team make an offer for a player with a confidential escape clause. If they can decide who can approach the player, then what value to the player is the clause. The team could just sit there and tell the potential buyer, "We'll do a deal for 80 million (knowing the clause is for 60)." How do the player and his agent know an offer has been made. Sorry for being slow on the uptake on this, but it seems very complicated.
Do teams ask the selling club what they would sell for a player they dont want to sell? I would think the buying club put in a bid and then negotiation. (* More likely ask the players agent if he wants to come and what it would cost first)

I dont know as clubs keep the process quite close to their chest.
 
When you triggers a release clause, the player is yours if you pay that money. But that money has to be paid in one go.

Most transfers are not paid up front. They are paid in instalments over many years.

Tottenham are unlikely to want to pay 60m in one go and so they will have to negotiate the payment plan. Nottingham Forrest could refuse to cooperate unless we pay them more. If we are getting value from staggering payments then Forrest can ask for value in the form of a higher fee.

Forrest’s negotiating power is constrained as they have to offer a staggered deal which is more attractive to Tottenham than just paying the 60m up front. But the agent is correct to raise this as a likely outcome.

It’s still extremely advantageous for us because the 60m acts as an anchor, pulling down the eventual fee we will pay. If there were no release clause then Forrest would throw out a crazy figure - say 100m - and that would act as the anchor for negotiations.

Is this the case with all release clauses? I would assume the conditions would be in the terms of the contract
 
Offering £60m outright, which is required to trigger a release clause, goes totally against our usual MO of paying in installments though.
It depends on the wording of the release clause. Not every release clause is the same and whether it is triggered depends on what is written in the contract. Lots of release clauses will allow for instalments, some will not. There is no PL template on what a release clause should look like.

As for paying it all upfront, it appears we are about to (or indeed have) come into a significant amount of cash.
 
No one's been competing for Eze, Woolwich have agreed personal terms but there's beem nothing since then

Bet he stays at Palace this Summer.
If MGW falls through, I'd imagine we'll show more of an interest in him...
Mbuemo
MGW

EZE???

I’d be more surprised if Ange didn’t try and stir it. It’s safe to say there’s no love lost between him and Levy. Bet Ange ends up at the city ground sometime next season when Nuno’s had enough of that owner/been sacked.
Greek brotherhood innit....
Goes back to the old CUNTry!
 
As an older gamer, I’m struggling to think of the reference. Pac-Man… Defender… Jet Set Willy… nope, you got me.
Sorry, maybe not THAT old*... :D I was thinking of 'Ludicrous Gibs' setting from the early 90s 3d-shooters (which meant there was more explosive gore when you blow the oppo away).

* Although I am that old. Jet set willy was ace, as was Yie-Ar Kung Fu.
 
Is this the case with all release clauses? I would assume the conditions would be in the terms of the contract
My understanding is that typically release clauses are paid in one go (in Spain and Germany at least, they MUST be).

We don’t know the conditions of MGW’s specific contract but from listening to agents talk (including the agent on Sky whose comments started this discussion), it’s typical for the fee to have to be paid in one go.

We can afford to do that and the cost would still be amortised over five years on the books regardless. However we might still view it as worth our while to stagger payments for a little more. The negotiating power sits with us though because of the release clause and our capacity to pay.
 
MGW and his agencies CAA Steller would know their own contract. CAA Steller is a large player agency that will be full of lawyers, the idea they can’t read a contract but the fat slob owner at Forest can is laughable.

 
MGW and his agencies CAA Steller would know their own contract. CAA Steller is a large player agency that will be full of lawyers, the idea they can’t read a contract but the fat slob owner at Forest can is laughable.

I didn't get the sense that there was something wrong with our interpretation of the contract, but that they're accusing us of tapping up. Which is stupid, because every club in football taps up players, constantly, including Forest.
 
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