No shit.
What's that got to do with having a really bad player as part of your 25 man squad?
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No shit.
What's that got to do with having a really bad player as part of your 25 man squad?
I'll have to take your word for it on the players you mentioned. I only watch Spurs these days.
The way I see it is this :
Sissoko is, in effect, first choice for the 2nd DM spot, if that makes sense.
PEH is obviously first choice.
Winks is not trusted, maybe for good reason but that's another debate.
Maybe Skipp will replace Sissoko next year.
So, unless Jose decides to play Ndombele there, we are in a weak position.
Even if that does happen, we are still weak this season. If either of those get injured we are left with Sissoko and Winks as back up. Both of which are capable imo, but not top quality.
As it stands Sissoko is a vital member of the squad and the people who just shout "He's shit, get him out of my club" aren't living in the real world. They think that it's easy to sign better players, when it isn't. So many factors come into play and its not like playing FM on a laptop.
In short, as I said earlier, Sissoko can be improved upon but it won't be easy despite what you or others say.
To improve on him we need a first team starter, not a squad player.
I think people who think we don't have better options to play any CM remit Sissoko currently fills aren't living in the real world. Next to PEH, I'd play Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks, White (and Skipp if we'd kept him here) in any CM role ahead of Sissoko, and we've also had 8 windows to find an upgrade.
I don't care what you or anyone else says, It would be an absolute piece of piss to improve on him.
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If he's that bad and it's "an absolute piece of piss to improve on him", then why haven't we done so already ?
Maybe all the managers he's played under don't have a clue about football.
Anything's possible I suppose.
Has anyone watched the Amazon doc or any behind the scenes videos? Sissoko is a leader in the squad, that’s huge. You always hear managers say you need a strong personality to control the clubhouse, Sissoko does that with Lloris and Kane. It’s noticeable whenever Aurier or Ndombele screw up.
Sissoko is a lot like Winks in the regard fans turned on him so he will get hammered for every wrong move. He’s a good player for us, always puts effort in, covers the wing better than any other midfielder and can defend better than our other wingers.
Winks, Dele, Gedson, Lucas and Sanchez should all be replaced before Sissoko.
Sissoko is a lot like Winks in the regard fans turned on him so he will get hammered for every wrong move. He’s a good player for us, always puts effort in, covers the wing better than any other midfielder and can defend better than our other wingers.
Winks, Dele, Gedson, Lucas and Sanchez should all be replaced before Sissoko.
Fucking hell you ask why I give you an answer and you give attitude in your reply
If he was really bad he wouldn't be playing football and he would have a normal job
Sissoko CL minutes played:
16/17 - 134 - Group Stage 3rd place in Group (22.333 mins/90)
17/18 - 341 - Round of 16, 1st place in Group w/ Real, Dortmund (42.625 mins/90)
18/19 - 730 - Finals (56.154 mins/90)
19/20 - 417 - Round of 16, 2nd in Group behind champs Bayern (52.125 mins/90)
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but it's good to see (at least) the organization understands what our players offer:
Nary a tiqui-taca in sight.
Perhaps it's apropos that the greatest moment (in several generations) in Spurs' history began with a final seconds Sissoko hoof up the field to Llorente.
CV was Didier Deschamp's.
Yes, Sissoko was an alternate for France WC '18. He started 5 of their 10 qualifiers + 1 sub appearance.
He played 110' minutes at RW in the Euro '16 final. CMs: Pogba + Matuidi.
Woody Allen said, "80% of success in life is showing up."
Sissoko plays so much because:
(a) he's always available
(b) his competition is perpetually crocked
(c) he'll play wherever asked, whenever, without a word about "what his preferred position is", or that he's "looking for a new challenge."
I have a hard time having negative feelings about a guy who's a been a consummate professional for us.
I wouldn't have a hard time suggesting that we should replace him with player x, y, or z. Hypothetical speculation is fun and low risk.
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Generally agree what you are saying.
But oh well, we just signed 5x the player for half the money this summer. So on the flip-side its not like it is impossible.
And once more - people who talk about his fantastic defensive distribution totally ignore the fact that when one CM has only ability to pick most obvious and close pass AND fails to control the ball under pressure most times, this will slow us down and makes it easier to rob the ball from us.
Once more. Even more of a reason to boot him. If he has been "leader and stong personality" in the squad that has folded like house of cards every single instance when the pressure really builds. We need some real leaders who can also lead by example not by... speaking the same language and run around a lot ... and point fingers.
If such player is the mental leader, it is massive, massive warning sign.
But in this instance I trust Mou. I just assume that he understood his importance and did not want to change everything at once, and will turn attention to that issue in next window (when Sissoko hopefully leaves and some adaquate footballer with leader ability comes in instead of him)!
Lol. Demise?
"T'riffic little player."
Only one of these 4 players (Dembele, Wanyama, Dier + Sissoko) ever started in a CL final.
Of course is not impossible to replace him and I would say that Ndombele is more than 5x the player.
I said that it is difficult to replace him, due to many factors.
My point is, that since he's been here we've spent god knows how many millions, signed and sold numerous players and he is still a first choice for us.
He must be doing something right and can't be as bad as some people make out.
I was referring to Hjojberg, who cost half (~15m) of Sissoko price.
Agreed that Ndombele is more than 5x the player Sissoko ever has been.
I would argue that we have not spent enough/quite correctly on the midfield. Wanyama purchase was a huge success, but injuries killed him. Right after his injury we should have gone in for new DM...but for whatever reason we stalled with it until purchasing Hjojberg this summer.
Yeah, agree with that.
We all knew that for at least 2 years we needed a quality DM, we finally got it when Jose bought PEH. Even then some people saw it as a "risk", that he wasn't good enough, and said that he wasn't a true DM.
Why we didn't get one before is open to question. Maybe Poch was "too picky", maybe our scouting team weren't able to identify one (in which case they are in the wrong job), maybe one wasn't available for the right money (one for the Levy haters).
I have said previously and many times, that we seemed intent on buying AMs, when we needed a RB, LB, CB, DM and a back up striker.
All of which we got when Jose came in. So it appears that;
A) Maybe our scouting team wasn't the issue
and
B) Maybe Levy wasn't the issue either.
All this seems to suggest that getting a top quality DM is not as easy as some people think it is.
It is one of the hardest positions to fill, imo. Behind a striker and 'keeper obviously, but still. Unless you have a bottomless pit of cash, that is.
But the fact remains that Sissoko has seen off all competition for his spot (maybe not a high bar, seeing our recruitment) and is still a first team choice. All this under different managers, both domestic and international.
He's played 534 games for clubs in the top divisions of 2 countries and has 65 caps for one of the best international teams in the world.
He'll be 32 in the summer so definitely needs replacing soon, and you can bet you're bottom dollar that, when he is, the haters will be saying "See, told you Sissoko was shit. Jose saw through the fraud".
All I'm saying is that maybe, just maybe, he's not as bad as some people make out.
I just find it hard agreeing with this. Sissoko has been here 5 years now. 4 of which we’ve been in a position where he’s had to be a starter in the team. Are you really suggesting we couldn’t have signed a better midfielder in that time period?
There are a vast number of players out there in Sissokos mould but have a bit of technical ability about them. Even someone like Doucoure at Everton would have been a massive upgrade on Sissoko last Summer.
The same bull plop used to be spouted about Ben Davies. “It’d be harder than you think finding a replacement for him” then boom, this summer we actually go out and look for one and find a left back twice as good.
Finding upgrades on bang average players isn’t hard, the will just needs to be there to do it.
I'll ask you the same question I asked Blakey.
If he's that bad and it's so easy to replace him, why haven't we already done so ?
After all we've had 5 years and 8 or 9 windows to do it.
On the contrary I believed there was no chance that Mourinho wouldn’t rely on Sissoko.
He fits most of the characteristics that you get in a classic Mourinho soldier.
Agree that he does fit the classic Jose player, no doubt about that at all.
My only brief thought was that as he isn't the........ (I'm searching for the right word)...... "most accomplished" DM, he could of been one of the players Jose was looking to replace.
PEH was a steal (like Liverpool and Robertson). In hindsight, many other clubs wished they had gone for him
Because our scouting and recruitment team is horrendously incompetent?