New Stadium

[The Outsider]

They then go home or back to their community and spread it. As Matt Hancock said today you need to stop the younger people getting it to protect the vulnerable.

*17m tests not people tested, just because you are negative today doesn't mean you will be next week.

Agreed and this is where culture kicks in - in Thailand social distancing is strictly observed, when families or friends meet with elderly people there is zero social contact, masks are worn 100% of the time during social interaction - now I'm sure there are other reasons why Thailand has almost zero Covid but the fact that there have been no mass gatherings, no Covid parties, no infected sent to care homes, and that at all times the incredibly strict quarantine measures have been impeccably observed by the entire population is certainly part of the reason.

In the West the ignorance, arrogance and selfishness of so many who deliberately ignore even the basic guidelines - I'm afraid you can't fix stupid.

Sweden may well have had the right idea - if the population is going to ignore us we might as well just get it over with - still not sure they were right or wrong but it would seem the longer Covid drags on elsewhere the more 'right' they appear to have been.

 

[r-u-s-x]

Agreed and this is where culture kicks in - in Thailand social distancing is strictly observed, when families or friends meet with elderly people there is zero social contact, masks are worn 100% of the time during social interaction - now I'm sure there are other reasons why Thailand has almost zero Covid but the fact that there have been no mass gatherings, no Covid parties, no infected sent to care homes, and that at all times the incredibly strict quarantine measures have been impeccably observed by the entire population is certainly part of the reason.

In the West the ignorance, arrogance and selfishness of so many who deliberately ignore even the basic guidelines - I'm afraid you can't fix stupid.

Sweden may well have had the right idea - if the population is going to ignore us we might as well just get it over with - still not sure they were right or wrong but it would seem the longer Covid drags on elsewhere the more 'right' they seem to have been.

Covid is dragging on in Sweden and still nowhere near heard immunity.

Assuming we had death rates in the 1000s that we had earlier this year and France in the 10s we wouldn't have been far off where we are now anyway. Can't imagine any union not striking over safety, de facto lockdown.

 

[The Outsider]

Covid is dragging on in Sweden and still nowhere near heard immunity.

Assuming we had death rates in the 1000s that we had earlier this year and France in the 10s we wouldn't have been far off where we are now anyway. Can't imagine any union not striking over safety, de facto lockdown.

The jury is out on Sweden - short term pain v long term gain - that can only be reviewed after the long term has happened.

Unions will strike over anything - that isn't a measure of competence - newer single driver trains have a better safety record than older driver/conductor trains all over Europe, yet here in the UK there have been strikes for months over the imagined safety issues.

In countries with broadly similar health levels in their populations you have unsurprisingly broadly similar death rates, that's despite the fact that those same countries have taken all sorts of different approaches.

Spain 633 - UK 612 - Chile 610 - Brazil 599 - Italy 588 - USA 585 - Sweden 577

In countries where underlying heath is better, mainly because they lack the money to become obese, unfit, couch potatoes, or lack the money for medicines to prolong low quality life, then the death rates are markedly lower Thailand 0.8 - Vietnam 0.4 - Malaysia 4 - Singapore 5

Make of that what you will ....

 

[ArmadilloSackRace]

The odds of a healthy under 50's individual dying from Covid are statistically 0.7 in 100,000 so even if the entire 60,000 crowd became infected, provided they were all healthy under 50's just one might die from every two home games ... far more likely to get run over crossing the High Road.

How many have got run over crossing the High Road since the new stadium opened?

 

[Johnboy40]

I didn't realise that! ....Was thinking just this when I watched the promo clip.... That's kick ass!

Fuck that. Fortunately, due to being maimed in a motorbike crash(never thought I would say that), its unlikely they would have a special shoe to fit. I would make poor old Tanganga look positive and relaxed about the whole scenario. (I have what the French call "the call of the void". I'm not afraid of heights, but when I'm high up I start feeling the urge to jump. Apparently about 50% of us do to an extent)

 

[Matt1882]

You do know that the UK has conducted 17.6m tests, how is that 'barely done'?

No question mass indoor events pose a very serious risk and even with 17m tested that still means 50m untested all of whom could be possible carriers ...

The 'safest' option for Spurs would be to say no to fans over 50, and no to fans with underlying heath issues. Now fans could lie about their age and their state of health but if they did those individuals would be putting themselves at risk not others.

The odds of a healthy under 50's individual dying from Covid are statistically 0.7 in 100,000 so even if the entire 60,000 crowd became infected, provided they were all healthy under 50's just one might die from every two home games ... far more likely to get run over crossing the High Road.

Not sure how you enforce an only Healthy under 50's policy - but that should work.

Maybe I'm not making myself clear enough.
It's the spread of the virus that is the problem, not who is in the stadium.
20k 30k 50k whatever in a relatively confined space poses a risk of people passing it to others.
And those others then pass it on again.
And again.
And again.

That's how virus's spread.

Only letting under 50s go solves nothing. How many will get on a train next to over 50's on the way there and on the way back?
How many will go home to their parents and their grand parents?

The simplist way to explain this is that people, are fucking retards. They can't behave. They can't follow guidelines. As a species, we probably deserve this. It's just a shame the those most at risk seem to be put in danage not by themselves, but by people who can't get their heads around this shit.

 

[Johnboy40]

How many have got run over crossing the High Road since the new stadium opened?

Every game I've been to, they've closed a large chunk of it

 

[The Outsider]

How many have got run over crossing the High Road since the new stadium opened?

No idea but the AFR of dying if you catch Covid is 1/821 the AFR of dying from being run over is 1/521 ... the use of the High Road was just for dramatic effect, clearly a wasted effort.

 

[spursmalc]

You do know that the UK has conducted 17.6m tests, how is that 'barely done'?

No question mass indoor events pose a very serious risk and even with 17m tested that still means 50m untested all of whom could be possible carriers ...

The 'safest' option for Spurs would be to say no to fans over 50, and no to fans with underlying heath issues. Now fans could lie about their age and their state of health but if they did those individuals would be putting themselves at risk not others.

The odds of a healthy under 50's individual dying from Covid are statistically 0.7 in 100,000 so even if the entire 60,000 crowd became infected, provided they were all healthy under 50's just one might die from every two home games ... far more likely to get run over crossing the High Road.

Not sure how you enforce an only Healthy under 50's policy - but that should work.

That is discrimination and should not be a policy to follow. However individuals over 50 and with underlying conditions should definitely consider their risk and I expect many not to go. A better solution would be for the club to offer rebates on season tickets for the vulnerable. This would mean that money would not be the reason to go. I agree with you that healthy under 50's are at little risk which is why they should be allowed to go. Personally as a non season ticket holder I doubt I would get a ticket anyway but have no intention of going. However I dislike the lack of atmosphere in the stadiums and believe that if fans want to go they should be allowed.

 

[spursmalc]

Maybe I'm not making myself clear enough.
It's the spread of the virus that is the problem, not who is in the stadium.
20k 30k 50k whatever in a relatively confined space poses a risk of people passing it to others.
And those others then pass it on again.
And again.
And again.

That's how virus's spread.

Only letting under 50s go solves nothing. How many will get on a train next to over 50's on the way there and on the way back?
How many will go home to their parents and their grand parents?

The simplist way to explain this is that people, are fucking retards. They can't behave. They can't follow guidelines. As a species, we probably deserve this. It's just a shame the those most at risk seem to be put in danage not by themselves, but by people who can't get their heads around this shit.

So the virus is not spread on packed trains which the Government are encouraging people to go back to work on.

 

[The Outsider]

Maybe I'm not making myself clear enough.
It's the spread of the virus that is the problem, not who is in the stadium.
20k 30k 50k whatever in a relatively confined space poses a risk of people passing it to others.
And those others then pass it on again.
And again.
And again.

That's how virus's spread.

Only letting under 50s go solves nothing. How many will get on a train next to over 50's on the way there and on the way back?
How many will go home to their parents and their grand parents?

The simplist way to explain this is that people, are fucking retards. They can't behave. They can't follow guidelines. As a species, we probably deserve this. It's just a shame the those most at risk seem to be put in danage not by themselves, but by people who can't get their heads around this shit.

Or are you just not "getting your head around this shit"

No argument people are dickheads but if you followed that evidence you would be in lock-down for 100 reasons every day - people are dickheads it's true but life must go on.

If you're under 50 and travel to football observing social distancing rules and DO NOT then go and snuggle up to a load of old or high risk people, what's your issue?

What are over 50's doing on a train on a Saturday, are they going to a Covid party? If you are in a high risk category here's a clue - don't use public transport.

Maybe you are under 50 and live at home with you mum and dad, nothing wrong with that you just can't go out socialising, you are 100% right there would be no football for you.

But finding 50,000 under 50's who don't live at home with high risk or old people that's not that big an ask. Sure some dickheads will always ignore the rules and put their olds at risk, but those sad cunts are probably the same people partying and not wearing masks - you can't fix stupid.

 

[Airfixx]

So the virus is not spread on packed trains which the Government are encouraging people to go back to work on.

Hmmmm.... Work vs Attending a footballing match.... Wonder which one is the more unnecessary risk.

 

[spursmalc]

Hmmmm.... Work vs Attending a footballing match.... Wonder which one is the more unnecessary risk.

They are also encouraging people to use trains to go to London for other reasons. The advice used to be do not use Public transport unless for essential travel. Not any more. What about flying on packed planes for a holiday. I will not do any of the 3 examples and we can debate which is the higher risk but I can choose to do 2 of them but not go to a football match.

 

[ArmadilloSackRace]

Every game I've been to, they've closed a large chunk of it

Same. So unsurprisingly The Outsider was talking horseshit.

Dramatic effect? More like just wildly incorrect.

 

[Johnboy40]

Same. So unsurprisingly The Outsider was talking horseshit.

Dramatic effect? More like just wildly incorrect.

Nah, the high road is a very long and busy road...stretches from Bruce Grove down to past the stadium. And i suspect that most people would think of it running from 7 sisters. Someone would only know they close about 400 yds of it if they've been there on a matchday

 

[YTpaxton]

The safest way is now for the season to be on TV only. Pay £10 a game if you don’t have subscribe to Sky/BT etc. No ST cost.

We have a stadium that can be better controlled than most but that’s not the main issue, it’s travelling there and back on public transport that’s more of an issue.
I know there are many that don’t but I don’t think you can say, “you can come but only if you drive or walk”.

And as an aside, the suggestions that only under 50’s can go is so ludicrous. If anything were to be done like that it should be the exact opposite, it’s the under 30’s that are causing the second spike In Bolton etc with their “we don’t give a shite about anyone but ourselves” attitude.
But I believe we are all in it together and it’s everyone’s responsibility to just pause “normal” football life for a season.
Rant over.

 

[ArmadilloSackRace]

Nah, the high road is a very long and busy road...stretches from Bruce Grove down to past the stadium. And i suspect that most people would think of it running from 7 sisters. Someone would only know they close about 400 yds of it if they've been there on a matchday

Yeah, but the busiest part on a matchday, the part adjacent to the stadium, is the bit that's closed. Elsewhere, there's shitloads of crossings, both to the north and south of the stadium, and I've never seen anyone get run over. Certainly not more than one every other game, which is what that dick from Bangkok was saying.

He's also ignored that, while one match going supporter might die after being infected every two games, all the others go home/to work/to the supermarket and pass it on to many others. The impact is potentially huge, and not only applicable to those who put themselves at higher risk of infection themselves by choosing to go to a game.

 

[SpiderSpurs]

That is discrimination and should not be a policy to follow. However individuals over 50 and with underlying conditions should definitely consider their risk and I expect many not to go. A better solution would be for the club to offer rebates on season tickets for the vulnerable. This would mean that money would not be the reason to go. I agree with you that healthy under 50's are at little risk which is why they should be allowed to go. Personally as a non season ticket holder I doubt I would get a ticket anyway but have no intention of going. However I dislike the lack of atmosphere in the stadiums and believe that if fans want to go they should be allowed.

The club have already allowed people to defer their ST till next season.

 

[The Outsider]

Yeah, but the busiest part on a matchday, the part adjacent to the stadium, is the bit that's closed. Elsewhere, there's shitloads of crossings, both to the north and south of the stadium, and I've never seen anyone get run over. Certainly not more than one every other game, which is what that dick from Bangkok was saying.

He's also ignored that, while one match going supporter might die after being infected every two games, all the others go home/to work/to the supermarket and pass it on to many others. The impact is potentially huge, and not only applicable to those who put themselves at higher risk of infection themselves by choosing to go to a game.

So stay in your basement and cry like a baby the world's a scary place ... Covid could be around for several years will you be staying there for the duration?

At some point the country has to return to some form of normality - just dismissing any attempt to do that as dangerous and scary is naive and pretty stupid. Very early days but it looks more and more like the Swedes got it right - lock-downs only delay the inevitable, the overall result remains broadly the same - keep the elderly and high risk isolated for as long as it takes, but let the other 75% of the population get back to a normal, albeit mask wearing and social distancing, life.

Try growing a pair ......

 

[ArmadilloSackRace]

So stay in your basement and cry like a baby the world's a scary place ... Covid could be around for several years will you be staying there for the duration?

At some point the country has to return to some form of normality - just dismissing any attempt to do as dangerous and scary is naive and pretty stupid. Very early days but it looks more and more like the Swedes got it right - lock-downs only delay the inevitable, the overall result remains broadly the same - keep the elderly and high risk isolated for as long as it takes, but let the other 75% of the population get back to a normal, albeit mask wearing and social distancing, life.

Try growing a pair ......

Huh? Nice assumption. Not sure where I've said I'm scared to go out into the world, and I don't even have a basement, you absolute fucking tool.

I'm happy to go out and about and take precautions. The issue is everyone else. You're naive if you think your 75% of the population are distancing and wearing masks. It ain't happening.