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Survey: 41% of Tottenham fans say they would stop attending matches if club was subject to a Newcastle-style takeover​

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By Charlie Eccleshare 3h ago
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The seismic nature of the Newcastle United takeover has meant that pretty much all 20 Premier League clubs feel profoundly affected in some way. Especially given the appalling human rights record of the country funding the takeover.
But it feels like there is something particularly pertinent from a Tottenham Hotspur perspective, especially with the two clubs meeting on Sunday in what is the first match of a new era at St James’ Park.
Visitors Spurs, with their self-sustaining business model, face opposition who are looking to take the steps they gradually climbed in the 2010s to become Champions League regulars a little faster than they did — by financially obliterating the competition.
Newcastle’s approach to turning themselves into trophy challengers is expected to be more like Manchester City’s under the ownership of the Abu Dhabi United Group since 2008, or Chelsea’s following the arrival of Roman Abramovich five years earlier, where elite players and managers are brought in for vast sums of money, and the sustainability element comes from the owners consistently ploughing more and more cash into the club.
Come January, they could start to make the kind of transfers that Tottenham, with their financial prudence, so rarely have.
So we wanted to ask The Athletic’s Spurs followers how they feel about the Newcastle takeover.
Are they jealous of the kind of fantasy signings who will likely soon be pitching up on Tyneside? Would they rather have a nation state such as Saudi Arabia in charge than owner ENIC? Is it about success at all costs or is there a point at which they would draw the line over who is running their club?
We had almost 2,000 responses, which give an indication of how a cross-section of the fanbase feel about the myriad issues raised by the sale of Newcastle.
A big majority would rather have Spurs’ ownership structure than Newcastle’s new Saudi-led one, but as the other questions and comments show, these are extremely complicated subjects…

The nature of these surveys means there isn’t always as much room for nuance as is sometimes necessary, which is why it is useful to also read the numerous reader comments as well as the survey responses to get a greater sense of the wider attitude towards some of the issues raised.
But starting with the numbers, almost 80% of respondents said they would rather have Spurs’ current ownership structure than Newcastle’s new one. A touch over 20% went the other way.
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When it came to how respondents felt about the Newcastle takeover, 35.7% told us that disappointment was their overriding emotion. Another 17.7% answered that anger best described how they felt, followed by envy (16.1%), frustration (15.6%) and indifference (14.9%).
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Asked whether seeing a takeover like the one at Newcastle, by Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund (PIF), happen at Tottenham would be enough for supporters to decide to stop going to matches or supporting the team, the majority (59%) said no.
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Although the majority of those fans surveyed said they would continue to go to matches in such circumstances, almost three quarters (a combined 70.9%) disagreed or strongly disagreed with the idea that: ‘As long as Spurs are successful, I’m not bothered about who owns the club.’
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Trying to understand where some of the frustrations with ENIC lie, we asked fans the extent to which seeing Spurs being outspent in the transfer market is their main issue with the current ownership. More than half (54.8%) either disagreed or strongly disagreed with the notion, with 40.5% either agreeing or strongly agreeing.
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The numbers, especially the overwhelming majority who would rather have Tottenham’s ownership than Newcastle’s, indicate how abhorrent many find the idea of being effectively taken over by a nation-state that has an awful human rights record.
Some of the comments conveyed the fact Spurs pride themselves on being an inclusive club and one whose fans could never get on board with a nation that treats women and the LGBT community so horrifically. It’s worth remembering that, this past summer, Tottenham supporters were in open revolt when it looked like Gennaro Gattuso, who had made racist and sexist comments in the past, was about to be named as the new head coach.
Respondents referred to the idea of “sportswashing” and said they would never want their club to be a vehicle for a nation such as Saudi Arabia to try to change how it is perceived by the rest of the world. On the flip side, many respondents said they could overlook these human rights concerns if it meant financing success for their club on the pitch.
The idea was also raised that it’s possible to have some sympathy with Newcastle fans, given the frugal way the club was run under Mike Ashley for the past 14 years, which included getting relegated to the Championship twice.
Some Tottenham supporters complain that chairman Daniel Levy has been similarly unwilling to splurge the London club’s money, but there is really no comparison between the two.
While Ashley showed almost zero ambition, certainly in the final decade of his ownership, Levy has helped transform Spurs from also-rans (Ashley’s first season as owner, 2007-08, saw them finish 11th, one place and three points above Newcastle) into a club who finished third in 2016 and 2018, as runners-up in between and reached the Champions League final two years ago, and who now play their home games in arguably the finest stadium in world football.
Building on how supporters feel towards Newcastle, it is interesting only 16.1% said jealousy was their overriding emotion regarding last week’s takeover at St James’ Park. Linked to the fact that most Spurs fans would rather have their current ownership structure than Newcastle’s, there’s a sense among some supporters that although being so cash-rich is enviable, constantly having to make moral judgments about your team is not actually that appealing a position to be in. Some fans are dismissive of the questions the Saudi takeover raises, but for others, it would put them in an extremely uncomfortable position.
So uncomfortable that 41% of the Spurs fans surveyed said they would stop going to matches or even following them at all if the club got taken over by an equivalent of Saudi Arabia’s PIF.
Many respondents made the point that they are already extremely disillusioned with how money-driven elite football is today and that this kind of sale would tip them over the edge. Some said they had already started boycotting or reducing the number of games they go to out of frustration with ENIC’s ownership, and the organisation’s perceived policy of profits over glory. Others said they wouldn’t stop going to games but would protest against the owners while at the stadium and/or stop buying anything else (merchandise et cetera) that gives additional money to the club.
Regarding the final question about whether a relative lack of spending was supporters’ main frustration with the current Spurs ownership, many made the point that it’s not about the amount the club have spent but how effectively, or otherwise, they do so. Tottenham’s net spend is actually higher than Chelsea’s since the summer of 2018, for instance (although the latter were under a FIFA transfer embargo for one summer window of that period), but too many of their signings over the last few years have failed to deliver.
This sentiment that it’s not just about the level of investment is another reason why some supporters wouldn’t sacrifice their principles for a sudden cash injection.
The fact Spurs came so close to winning the 2018-19 Champions League suggests there are other ways to have success than the Manchester City, Chelsea and now, presumably, Newcastle model. Though doing so is only going to get harder as more of Tottenham’s rivals can count on such huge financial advantages.
On Sunday, we’ll see the two teams with their contrasting business models go head to head but only over the next few years will we get a sense of how these decisions affect their respective results on the pitch — and what that means for the mood of the two clubs’ supporters.
 
^ Honestly, I doubt it. It sounds good to say that I’d stop supporting the club (well it doesn’t sound good at all, but it sounds principled and ethical). Truth is, if we got some ownership in place that spent crazy amounts and brought in amazing players and have us a chance at winning everything, I’d be thrilled.

And I think the long-term choice is “do you want to compete and win things, or not?” The idea that we can win things against all odds and remain competitive without a similar infusion of cash is fantasy. Sure, there will be the occasional club that breaks through and gets CL football despite having no business being there, or maybe getting a league cup here or there against the odds. But the harsh reality is that money wins.
 
^ Honestly, I doubt it.

You shouldn't doubt it; you should stop at the point of expressing that it doesn't apply to you, rather than so casually dismissing the values of others.....

It sounds good to say that I’d stop supporting the club (well it doesn’t sound good at all, but it sounds principled and ethical). Truth is, if we got some ownership in place that spent crazy amounts and brought in amazing players and have us a chance at winning everything, I’d be thrilled.

And I think the long-term choice is “do you want to compete and win things, or not?” The idea that we can win things against all odds and remain competitive without a similar infusion of cash is fantasy. Sure, there will be the occasional club that breaks through and gets CL football despite having no business being there, or maybe getting a league cup here or there against the odds. But the harsh reality is that money wins.

It becomes a lot more likely ('easier') for an individual to tune out from their club if their love for the game itself has deteriorated thanks to the state of affairs that you describe.....

I find myself disliking the modern game more and more..... It's only really my passion for Spurs keeping me switched on at all at this point. I am very much in conflict with my role in helping prop up an increasingly bloated and morally corrupt industry.
 
You shouldn't doubt it; you should stop at the point of expressing that it doesn't apply to you, rather than so casually dismissing the values of others.....



It becomes a lot more likely ('easier') for an individual to tune out from their club if their love for the game itself has deteriorated thanks to the state of affairs that you describe.....

I find myself disliking the modern game more and more..... It's only really my passion for Spurs keeping me switched on at all at this point. I am very much in conflict with my role in helping prop up an increasingly bloated and morally corrupt industry.

Premier League badly needs a new system of ownership, it’s killing the game. If the House of Saud are fit to own Newcastle why would Kim Jong Un not be fit to own Spurs or the Taliban West Ham.

Much as I dislike Trump, he is more than fit and proper to own a football club given the current owners, infact the only thing that wouldn’t make him fit an proper is his lack of money. Bizarrely Trump would probably be the guy that sends people enough over the edge to change it even though Trump is a little potato compared to the House of Saud.
 
I guess the only people it impacts are people who attend every match? If so, fine I’ll bow out. I was commenting as a supporter in general though, and I’ve attended some matches, spent a fair amount of money with the club and basically watch every game all season. I don’t want to get into the “who’s a bigger fan?” discussion, but I’d just like to think I’d rate higher than a tourist.
 
I guess the only people it impacts are people who attend every match?

That's not true at all.....

I rarely get to games these days, refuse to give Sky my money and watch games on streams; yet by being engaged and giving the game attention I'm still effectively advocating for the game in it's current form.

If so, fine I’ll bow out. I was commenting as a supporter in general though, and I’ve attended some matches, spent a fair amount of money with the club and basically watch every game all season. I don’t want to get into the “who’s a bigger fan?” discussion, but I’d just like to think I’d rate higher than a tourist.

Indeed; that's a red-herring in such a discussion.... It's a global game that exploits a global marketplace; not just North London.
 
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Survey: 41% of Tottenham fans say they would stop attending matches if club was subject to a Newcastle-style takeover​

Tottenham Hotspur

By Charlie Eccleshare 3h ago
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The seismic nature of the Newcastle United takeover has meant that pretty much all 20 Premier League clubs feel profoundly affected in some way. Especially given the appalling human rights record of the country funding the takeover.
But it feels like there is something particularly pertinent from a Tottenham Hotspur perspective, especially with the two clubs meeting on Sunday in what is the first match of a new era at St James’ Park.
Visitors Spurs, with their self-sustaining business model, face opposition who are looking to take the steps they gradually climbed in the 2010s to become Champions League regulars a little faster than they did — by financially obliterating the competition.
Newcastle’s approach to turning themselves into trophy challengers is expected to be more like Manchester City’s under the ownership of the Abu Dhabi United Group since 2008, or Chelsea’s following the arrival of Roman Abramovich five years earlier, where elite players and managers are brought in for vast sums of money, and the sustainability element comes from the owners consistently ploughing more and more cash into the club.
Come January, they could start to make the kind of transfers that Tottenham, with their financial prudence, so rarely have.
So we wanted to ask The Athletic’s Spurs followers how they feel about the Newcastle takeover.
Are they jealous of the kind of fantasy signings who will likely soon be pitching up on Tyneside? Would they rather have a nation state such as Saudi Arabia in charge than owner ENIC? Is it about success at all costs or is there a point at which they would draw the line over who is running their club?
We had almost 2,000 responses, which give an indication of how a cross-section of the fanbase feel about the myriad issues raised by the sale of Newcastle.
A big majority would rather have Spurs’ ownership structure than Newcastle’s new Saudi-led one, but as the other questions and comments show, these are extremely complicated subjects…

The nature of these surveys means there isn’t always as much room for nuance as is sometimes necessary, which is why it is useful to also read the numerous reader comments as well as the survey responses to get a greater sense of the wider attitude towards some of the issues raised.
But starting with the numbers, almost 80% of respondents said they would rather have Spurs’ current ownership structure than Newcastle’s new one. A touch over 20% went the other way.
spurs-ownership-survey-1-e1634290615263.jpg

When it came to how respondents felt about the Newcastle takeover, 35.7% told us that disappointment was their overriding emotion. Another 17.7% answered that anger best described how they felt, followed by envy (16.1%), frustration (15.6%) and indifference (14.9%).
spurs-ownership-survey-2-e1634291595567.jpg

Asked whether seeing a takeover like the one at Newcastle, by Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund (PIF), happen at Tottenham would be enough for supporters to decide to stop going to matches or supporting the team, the majority (59%) said no.
spurs-ownership-survey-3-e1634291671838.jpg

Although the majority of those fans surveyed said they would continue to go to matches in such circumstances, almost three quarters (a combined 70.9%) disagreed or strongly disagreed with the idea that: ‘As long as Spurs are successful, I’m not bothered about who owns the club.’
spurs-ownership-survey-4-e1634291769214.jpg

Trying to understand where some of the frustrations with ENIC lie, we asked fans the extent to which seeing Spurs being outspent in the transfer market is their main issue with the current ownership. More than half (54.8%) either disagreed or strongly disagreed with the notion, with 40.5% either agreeing or strongly agreeing.
spurs-ownership-survey-5.jpg

The numbers, especially the overwhelming majority who would rather have Tottenham’s ownership than Newcastle’s, indicate how abhorrent many find the idea of being effectively taken over by a nation-state that has an awful human rights record.
Some of the comments conveyed the fact Spurs pride themselves on being an inclusive club and one whose fans could never get on board with a nation that treats women and the LGBT community so horrifically. It’s worth remembering that, this past summer, Tottenham supporters were in open revolt when it looked like Gennaro Gattuso, who had made racist and sexist comments in the past, was about to be named as the new head coach.
Respondents referred to the idea of “sportswashing” and said they would never want their club to be a vehicle for a nation such as Saudi Arabia to try to change how it is perceived by the rest of the world. On the flip side, many respondents said they could overlook these human rights concerns if it meant financing success for their club on the pitch.
The idea was also raised that it’s possible to have some sympathy with Newcastle fans, given the frugal way the club was run under Mike Ashley for the past 14 years, which included getting relegated to the Championship twice.
Some Tottenham supporters complain that chairman Daniel Levy has been similarly unwilling to splurge the London club’s money, but there is really no comparison between the two.
While Ashley showed almost zero ambition, certainly in the final decade of his ownership, Levy has helped transform Spurs from also-rans (Ashley’s first season as owner, 2007-08, saw them finish 11th, one place and three points above Newcastle) into a club who finished third in 2016 and 2018, as runners-up in between and reached the Champions League final two years ago, and who now play their home games in arguably the finest stadium in world football.
Building on how supporters feel towards Newcastle, it is interesting only 16.1% said jealousy was their overriding emotion regarding last week’s takeover at St James’ Park. Linked to the fact that most Spurs fans would rather have their current ownership structure than Newcastle’s, there’s a sense among some supporters that although being so cash-rich is enviable, constantly having to make moral judgments about your team is not actually that appealing a position to be in. Some fans are dismissive of the questions the Saudi takeover raises, but for others, it would put them in an extremely uncomfortable position.
So uncomfortable that 41% of the Spurs fans surveyed said they would stop going to matches or even following them at all if the club got taken over by an equivalent of Saudi Arabia’s PIF.
Many respondents made the point that they are already extremely disillusioned with how money-driven elite football is today and that this kind of sale would tip them over the edge. Some said they had already started boycotting or reducing the number of games they go to out of frustration with ENIC’s ownership, and the organisation’s perceived policy of profits over glory. Others said they wouldn’t stop going to games but would protest against the owners while at the stadium and/or stop buying anything else (merchandise et cetera) that gives additional money to the club.
Regarding the final question about whether a relative lack of spending was supporters’ main frustration with the current Spurs ownership, many made the point that it’s not about the amount the club have spent but how effectively, or otherwise, they do so. Tottenham’s net spend is actually higher than Chelsea’s since the summer of 2018, for instance (although the latter were under a FIFA transfer embargo for one summer window of that period), but too many of their signings over the last few years have failed to deliver.
This sentiment that it’s not just about the level of investment is another reason why some supporters wouldn’t sacrifice their principles for a sudden cash injection.
The fact Spurs came so close to winning the 2018-19 Champions League suggests there are other ways to have success than the Manchester City, Chelsea and now, presumably, Newcastle model. Though doing so is only going to get harder as more of Tottenham’s rivals can count on such huge financial advantages.
On Sunday, we’ll see the two teams with their contrasting business models go head to head but only over the next few years will we get a sense of how these decisions affect their respective results on the pitch — and what that means for the mood of the two clubs’ supporters.
Yawn - dream on

Like Chavs and City also stopped attending
 
Well, it turns out having your frontman/woman with only a 10% shareholding and zero knowledge of football might be a route to some issues already being described by insiders as a "shambles"......


If the other clubs are so concerned there is a simple solution. Don't trade with them. Don't sell or loan players to them. Newcastle have a championship squad at best if they can't get their hands on seasoned Premiership players they'll be relegated. If they can only get players from Europe it will be tricky for them.

Fuck em boycott them.
 
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Very poignant message.....surely they could have made a bit more effort with the sign though
Meh, gets more views than reads I guess.

I read a great piece before this game and how campaigners will be looking to use each Newcastle game to highlight these issues, which I think is great so long as it builds momentum and is shown in mainstream media. It would be a welcome change if ahead of every Newcastle game that supporters of each team they face make enough noise about the regime that Sky/BT whoever have to reflect it their pre or post-match discussions. (I think I'll be waiting a long time for that though, as the build-up to that game on Sky made me wanna puke)
 
If the other clubs are so concerned there is a simple solution. Don't trade with them. Don't sell or loan players to them. Newcastle have a championship squad at best if the can't get their hands on seasoned Premiership players they'll be relegated. If the can only get players from Europe it will be tricky for them.

Fuck em boycott them.
I was thinking exactly this yesterday.

I posted a good piece last week that broke down some of Man City's strategy when they first were taken over, it emphasised that they didn't target players to propel them to the top of the table but targeted players at their main rivals, mainly Woolwich (Villa also apparently). As they stood to leapfrog them and remain ahead of them and gaining the all-important CL money which back then FFP was supposed to be strict (looool) - without a doubt a strategy that worked a treat.

So, if all the 19 other PL Clubs are against their takeover they can all ensure, even by working together that their mission would be made all the harder by not doing business with them.
 
I had no idea although maybe some of you already knew, apparently Staveley helped Mansour buy Manchester City.

Oh, and she dated Prince Andrew for a while too, make of that what you will.
 
I had no idea although maybe some of you already knew, apparently Staveley helped Mansour buy Manchester City.

Oh, and she dated Prince Andrew for a while too, make of that what you will.

This guy is absolutely rinsing them on twitter, banging out loads of tweets as to how Jamie Redknapp is a mate of the Rubens hence his gushing praise for them pre match. Worth a read through.

 
I had no idea although maybe some of you already knew, apparently Staveley helped Mansour buy Manchester City.

Oh, and she dated Prince Andrew for a while too, make of that what you will.
She was involved in helping Barclays get a loan from them based on what I can see on her wikipedia. And she has been involved in a lawsuit with Barclays since.

Also tried to help Dubai buy a piece of Liverpool in the mid 00s.

Dubai are the next in line to invest in a PL team I guess.
 
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