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Management Next Manager Poll (poll reset 11/04/23)

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Next Manager

  • Rodgers

    Votes: 15 3.6%
  • Potter

    Votes: 25 5.9%
  • Nagelsmann

    Votes: 177 41.9%
  • Kompany

    Votes: 43 10.2%
  • Slot

    Votes: 91 21.6%
  • Postecoglou

    Votes: 74 17.5%
  • De Zerbi

    Votes: 31 7.3%
  • Xabi Alonso

    Votes: 11 2.6%
  • Stellini

    Votes: 4 0.9%
  • Frank

    Votes: 10 2.4%
  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 21 5.0%
  • Zidane

    Votes: 5 1.2%
  • Glasner

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Amorim

    Votes: 10 2.4%
  • Carrick

    Votes: 9 2.1%
  • Gallardo

    Votes: 23 5.5%
  • Schmidt

    Votes: 2 0.5%

  • Total voters
    422
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Swashbuckling doesn't have to be better for me.

I get the clamour for attacking football but attacking doesn't always = good.

Conte ball was producing the most goals scored in a calendar year and a great defensive record for a good while.

Attacking football for attacking football sake doesn't, no. Because that's what we got under Sherwood. Players told to just attack and enjoy it instead of any semblance of coaching. A bit like us against Milan or Bournemouth in the second half where we just threw everyone on and hoped for the best.

But we've been starved of good attacking COACHING for so long. Clear patterns of play. Movement from offensive players. Smart and intricate play. Not seen since probably 2018. Five years ago now.
 
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This is all nonsense. Comparing apples with sledge hammers.

Di Zerbi has been doing his thing in the Premier league. A league packed with very good to half decent coaches. He's been implementing his style of play with a club that has never played a European game. Never won a major trophy. Is comprehensively out earned and out spent by the majority of the teams he plays against.

Postecuglu on the other hand is at the ONLY club in their league that will win the league. They earn more than probably every other team in their league combined. They have a squad of players that's probably 2 leagues above what the rest of the sides other than Rangers have. The competition for Celtic every week is so low, they absolutely should be miles better, look amazing, be in control, use possession etc etc. The coach may have some say, but it doesn't make it great coaching.

Now Ange could come down the PL and be brilliant. But nobody knows that. He's never been a manager in a league where there is so much competition, so many competent managers, so much money for even the poorer teams. He could come down the PL and get completely found out. He may also suffer the same ridicule as Jesse Marsh for being from a country who don't exactly take football as their number 1 sport. That could even come from within the squad.
And at Celtic, he seems to have scouted players from australasia regions. Most of them wouldn't have a hope in hell chance of improving Spurs.

If it's him, it's him. But I ain't getting on board with it before he proves himself.
He's the sort of coach that should have been doing it in his 40s in a bigger league if he's any good.
 
This is all nonsense. Comparing apples with sledge hammers.

Nope. It's comparing how a coach applies his techniques to a team with another one who does the exact same thing.


Di Zerbi has been doing his thing in the Premier league. A league packed with very good to half decent coaches. He's been implementing his style of play with a club that has never played a European game. Never won a major trophy. Is comprehensively out earned and out spent by the majority of the teams he plays against.

Up until 5 months ago, he wasn't. He was someone most people didn't know. He was ridiculed upon signing for Brighton by all the pundits as a "who?"

It's an out dated concept that if you can only be considered a good coach if you've managed in one of the top leagues. You're a gamble, that's about it. But then again we've also seen plenty of coaches come from the top leagues and do relatively poorly in this league.

Postecuglu on the other hand is at the ONLY club in their league that will win the league. They earn more than probably every other team in their league combined. They have a squad of players that's probably 2 leagues above what the rest of the sides other than Rangers have. The competition for Celtic every week is so low, they absolutely should be miles better, look amazing, be in control, use possession etc etc. The coach may have some say, but it doesn't make it great coaching.

Youre not wrong about Celtic level, finances, stature etc. But thats got nothing to do with his coaching. He hasn't just gone out, signed the best players for that league and told them to go out there and run around abit because they're a class above.

Big Sam could go and win the league with Celtic. That doesn't automatically make him a good coach. Postecoglu winning the treble this season doesn't signify he's a good coach, however watching his team play football confirms he's a good coach.

Just like I imagine watching Pochettino with a relegation threatened Espanyol showed he was a good coach despite their results, because a relegation threatened Southampton took a gamble on him and the rest is history.

Now Ange could come down the PL and be brilliant. But nobody knows that. He's never been a manager in a league where there is so much competition, so many competent managers, so much money for even the poorer teams. He could come down the PL and get completely found out. He may also suffer the same ridicule as Jesse Marsh for being from a country who don't exactly take football as their number 1 sport.

Perhaps. And so could Nagelsmann. I've seen plenty of promising young managers come to this country and absolutely flop.

Nothing a guarantee.

De Zerbi could well indeed flop next season. He's going to have to juggle Prem football with European football with a squad that's no where near really big enough for it. Nothings a guarantee.


That could even come from within the squad.
And at Celtic, he seems to have scouted players from australasia regions. Most of them wouldn't have a hope in hell chance of improving Spurs.

You realise he spotted Mitoma right? And was close to signing him for Celtic but Brighton of course have better resources and pull due to the Premier League.

Would you say he wouldn't have a hope in yells chance of improving Spurs?

If it's him, it's him. But I ain't getting on board with it before he proves himself.
He's the sort of coach that should have been doing it in his 40s in a bigger league if he's any good.

Ten Haag was 52 years old before he got a chance at arguably the biggest club in the world.
 
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Again, BC, I disagree. A Head Coach who plays front foot, progressive football and is willing to develop young players by actually playing & coaching them, is far more important to me than hiring some obscure no name DoF.

The DoF structure is fine on a management consultant whiteboard. Our club's various fliratations with DoFs have produced chaos, not continuity, and the signing of young players like Gil & Sarr who the Head Coach stubbornly refused to play.

They've also created a mismatch between Levy's declaration of "Spurs DNA" and uber-cautious Head Coaches like Mourinho, Nuno & Conte.

We need to determine how we want to play, hire a Head Coach who is passionate about playing that way, and hire a DoF who can recruit players that fit the vision.

Unfortunately, even those simple steps seem beyond Levy & ENIC.

But in most scenarios, the DOF will outlast the head coach.

What I want is a DOF who is given genuine responsibility for overseeing recruitment, philosophy, academy, coaching recruitment.

This is what well run clubs do. City had Begiristain in place long before Guardiola. It was Michael Edwards who helped hire Juergen Klopp. Etc etc. What we are aiming for ideally, is getting Levy away from these type of decisions.

I don’t actually mind which appointment is “announced” first in this instance, as long as they are aware of each other and you marry the philosophy. As you say yourself. But the logical thing to do is make sure they are both following the same hymn sheet strategy wise before hiring them.

Which is what Levy did when he hired Paratici and I think (fucking hope) what he is doing now.
 
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Again, BC, I disagree. A Head Coach who plays front foot, progressive football and is willing to develop young players by actually playing & coaching them, is far more important to me than hiring some obscure no name DoF.

The DoF structure is fine on a management consultant whiteboard. Our club's various fliratations with DoFs have produced chaos, not continuity, and the signing of young players like Gil & Sarr who the Head Coach stubbornly refused to play.

They've also created a mismatch between Levy's declaration of "Spurs DNA" and uber-cautious Head Coaches like Mourinho, Nuno & Conte.

We need to determine how we want to play, hire a Head Coach who is passionate about playing that way, and hire a DoF who can recruit players that fit the vision.

Unfortunately, even those simple steps seem beyond Levy & ENIC.

This, a million times this!
 
I'm not sure about this at all.

I think Spurs are brilliant up top, decent in midfield but could do with 1-2 creative players to replace the likes of Lo Celso and N'dombele. Could N'dombele be used from the bench after 60 minutes in a 3-4 man midfield containing Bissouma and Sarr; under the right coach?

It's the goalkeepers and defenders that are rotten at Spurs and have been for some time.

Spurs need a first choice, quality goalkeeper and a pair of 'win now' centre backs on a par with Toby and Jan.

3 quality players and Kane staying turns it around under a decent, attacking coach.

Don't want to go all Columbo here, but most if not all on here would write - and say - "we" not "Spurs" :sonhmm:

By honest now....are you Brendan? :sonhmm:
 
But in most scenarios, the DOF will outlast the head coach.

What I want is a DOF who is given genuine responsibility for overseeing recruitment, philosophy, academy, coaching recruitment.

This is what we’ll run clubs do. City had Begiristain in place long before Guardiola. It was Michael Edwards who helped hire Juergen Klopp. Etc etc. What we are aiming for ideally, is getting Levy away from these type of decisions.

I don’t actually mind which appointment is “announced” first in this instance, as long as they are aware of each other and you marry the philosophy. As you say yourself. But the logical thing to do is make sure they are both following the same hymn sheet strategy wise before hiring them.

Which is what Levy did when he hired Paratici and I think (fucking hope) what he is doing now.

You guys are saying the same thing.

Both jobs matter but THE big thing is they are on the same page when it comes to the way they see the game.

It's still fucking mental to me that Michael Edwards and Nagelsmann are out of work and we aren't doing everything we can to get them both in.

Unless they hate each other for some unknown reason, it just makes zero sense.
 
Nope. It's comparing how a coach applies his techniques to a team with another one who does the exact same thing.




Up until 5 months ago, he wasn't. He was someone most people didn't know. He was ridiculed upon signing for Brighton by all the pundits as a "who?"

It's an out dated concept that if you can only be considered a good coach if you've managed in one of the top leagues. You're a gamble, that's about it. But then again we've also seen plenty of coaches come from the top leagues and do relatively poorly in this league.



Youre not wrong about Celtic level, finances, stature etc. But thats got nothing to do with his coaching. He hasn't just gone out, signed the best players for that league and told them to go out there and run around abit because they're a class above.

Big Sam could go and win the league with Celtic. That doesn't automatically make him a good coach. Postecoglu winning the treble this season doesn't signify he's a good coach, however watching his team play football confirms he's a good coach.

Just like I imagine watching Pochettino with a relegation threatened Espanyol showed he was a good coach despite their results, because a relegation threatened Southampton took a gamble on him and the rest is history.



Perhaps. And so could Nagelsmann. I've seen plenty of promising young managers come to this country and absolutely flop.

Nothing a guarantee.

De Zerbi could well indeed flop next season. He's going to have to juggle Prem football with European football with a squad that's no where near really big enough for it. Nothings a guarantee.




You realise he spotted Mitoma right? And was close to signing him for Celtic but Brighton of course have better resources and pull due to the Premier League.

Would you say he wouldn't have a hope in yells chance of improving Spurs?



Ten Haag was 52 years old before he got a chance at arguably the biggest club in the world.

Right.

End of the day, they haven't hired Slot or Poch, and if they don't hire Nagelsmann, from a PR perspective there will be plenty of fans thinking they have done a Nuno again. Especially if it follows the usual levy pattern of self indulgent negotiations that take another month after the season ends.

If they go for Postman Colglou they are going to have to get a DOF or somebody to recruit players and stick to the plan. Even if the fans are unhappy and results aren't great.

It could get even more toxic for them and it's most likely the last managerial appointment that Levy can afford to get wrong. Even Uncle Joe will be looking at him funny if he has to fire the next one early on.
 
This is all nonsense. Comparing apples with sledge hammers.

Di Zerbi has been doing his thing in the Premier league. A league packed with very good to half decent coaches. He's been implementing his style of play with a club that has never played a European game. Never won a major trophy. Is comprehensively out earned and out spent by the majority of the teams he plays against.

Postecuglu on the other hand is at the ONLY club in their league that will win the league. They earn more than probably every other team in their league combined. They have a squad of players that's probably 2 leagues above what the rest of the sides other than Rangers have. The competition for Celtic every week is so low, they absolutely should be miles better, look amazing, be in control, use possession etc etc. The coach may have some say, but it doesn't make it great coaching.

Now Ange could come down the PL and be brilliant. But nobody knows that. He's never been a manager in a league where there is so much competition, so many competent managers, so much money for even the poorer teams. He could come down the PL and get completely found out. He may also suffer the same ridicule as Jesse Marsh for being from a country who don't exactly take football as their number 1 sport. That could even come from within the squad.
And at Celtic, he seems to have scouted players from australasia regions. Most of them wouldn't have a hope in hell chance of improving Spurs.

If it's him, it's him. But I ain't getting on board with it before he proves himself.
He's the sort of coach that should have been doing it in his 40s in a bigger league if he's any good.
All fair points although I don’t necessarily agree with the last part. Not every manager has it handed to them on a silver platter, he’s had to do the hard yards and there’s no doubt he’s proven he can coach over the past 10 years.

Can he do it at a club as big as Tottenham? That’s his next challenge if he gets the opportunity. I would back him to do so 100%, but I also understand why Spurs fans would rather go for a more proven alternative.

Having said that everyone is saying that Scotland is a two team comp (which it is), & that Celtic have all the money. But Bayern have won the last 10 Bundesligas and Naglesmann had them in 2nd place this year before he was sacked if im not mistaken. Bayern also literally buy all of Dortmunds best players and have by far and away the most financial resources in their competition. Obviously Naglesmann has a stronger CV than Ange but his time at Bayern didn’t go to plan
 
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