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Management Next Manager Poll (poll reset 11/04/23)

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Next Manager

  • Rodgers

    Votes: 15 3.6%

  • Potter

    Votes: 25 5.9%

  • Nagelsmann

    Votes: 177 41.9%

  • Kompany

    Votes: 43 10.2%

  • Slot

    Votes: 91 21.6%

  • Postecoglou

    Votes: 74 17.5%

  • De Zerbi

    Votes: 31 7.3%

  • Xabi Alonso

    Votes: 11 2.6%

  • Stellini

    Votes: 4 0.9%

  • Frank

    Votes: 10 2.4%

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 21 5.0%

  • Zidane

    Votes: 5 1.2%

  • Glasner

    Votes: 3 0.7%

  • Amorim

    Votes: 10 2.4%

  • Carrick

    Votes: 9 2.1%

  • Gallardo

    Votes: 23 5.5%

  • Schmidt

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • Total voters
    422
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Guido 🇺🇦 said:
Yeah sorry about that mate, noticed that you had about 10mins after I did, by then had a couple of comments attached to it so didn't delete it.

What amazes me every year is people cunt off the media for calling them false or shit stirrers, biased or whatever. Yet believe every post to be true on Twitter, usually the same people that get called out.

I chuck myself into that to some degree too. I don't know enough about human psychology to have an answer but I think it's principle is driven by aligning yourself to something you believe or want to happen. I fight this urge over Nagelsmann who I have had as my number one choice even when Conte was still here, so any glimmer of hope there is at getting him in my head (because it makes sense) I see the linked Tweet as a positive.

It doesn't correlate too well with Slot though, given that 74% of this board didn't want him, so I can only guess that this is more about fake rage, a rage used to target the Club rather than those who reported on it and got it so spectacularly wrong.
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I just find the whole Nagelsmann thing weird and I actually think we can use the nonsense from the press to think a bit more clearly about it. Although this is probably me being wildly optimistic but I’m trying to stick to the facts.

1. We know there is a clause in his contract which says Bayern are due a lot of money if he signs for another club before the end of the season.

2. We are heavily linked with him for weeks and refute that we’ve met. It is the only time the club have pushed anything via the media. Seems sensible for us to distance ourselves if we don’t want Munich to think we are speaking to him.

3. Since then we haven’t appointed a DOF.

4. We spoke to Slot & the Feyenoord DOF but it never got as far as us speaking to Feyenoord over compensation because they didn’t want to leave. Both men said that. We don’t know when.

5. We still haven’t appointed a manager and Nagelsmann is sitting right there. He’s signed for nobody else either. Maybe other clubs are playing the same game as us.

All that might be complete bollocks but that’s without journalists spin and agent agendas. That’s the current picture. If we are sitting here after next weekend when all the seasons end, still with no manager, I wouldn’t be surprised if links to Nagelsmann appear. Especially if no DOF has been appointed before then either.
 
bus-conductor said:
But in most scenarios, the DOF will outlast the head coach.

What I want is a DOF who is given genuine responsibility for overseeing recruitment, philosophy, academy, coaching recruitment.

This is what well run clubs do. City had Begiristain in place long before Guardiola. It was Michael Edwards who helped hire Juergen Klopp. Etc etc. What we are aiming for ideally, is getting Levy away from these type of decisions.

I don’t actually mind which appointment is “announced” first in this instance, as long as they are aware of each other and you marry the philosophy. As you say yourself. But the logical thing to do is make sure they are both following the same hymn sheet strategy wise before hiring them.

Which is what Levy did when he hired Paratici and I think (fucking hope) what he is doing now.
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But Paratici never implemented Levy's declaration of "Spurs DNA" in his choice of Head Coaches.

Indeed, it's rumoured Paratici is the one who sabotaged the proposed Fonseca appointment, and Fonseca is far closer to that "Spurs DNA" than Nuno or Conte, as you've stated in this thread.

I see absolutely no evidence from Paratici's actions that he believed in the "Spurs DNA", except for signing talented young players like Gil & Sarr, who were promptly frozen out by his choice of Head Coach. Making those signings pointless, and a source of conflict with a grumpy Head Coach with a huge ego who wanted to blow crazy money on players like Zaniolo.

Paratici used his insider knowledge of the complicated contract / loan situations of Juve-connected players such as Romero, Kulusevski & Bentancur to sign them for Spurs. He was an insider deal maker, with good relations with a lot of agents.

I don't believe Paratici had a meaningful footballing vision for our club.
 
Brian Fantana said:
I just find the whole Nagelsmann thing weird and I actually think we can use the nonsense from the press to think a bit more clearly about it. Although this is probably me being wildly optimistic but I’m trying to stick to the facts.

1. We know there is a clause in his contract which says Bayern are due a lot of money if he signs for another club before the end of the season.

2. We are heavily linked with him for weeks and refute that we’ve met. It is the only time the club have pushed anything via the media. Seems sensible for us to distance ourselves if we don’t want Munich to think we are speaking to him.

3. Since then we haven’t appointed a DOF.

4. We spoke to Slot & the Feyenoord DOF but it never got as far as us speaking to Feyenoord over compensation because they didn’t want to leave. Both men said that. We don’t know when.

5. We still haven’t appointed a manager and Nagelsmann is sitting right there. He’s signed for nobody else either. Maybe other clubs are playing the same game as us.

All that might be complete bollocks but that’s without journalists spin and agent agendas. That’s the current picture. If we are sitting here after next weekend when all the seasons end, still with no manager, I wouldn’t be surprised if links to Nagelsmann appear. Especially if no DOF has been appointed before then either.
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Been thinking the same. That is copium though.

If that has been the club's plan all this time and they pull it off, then fair play.

Unfortunately, previous actions dictate that Kosher Kid Kosher Kid has an equal chance of being right and they will dither and negotiate everyone to death and then scramble into a last-minute appointment of Brendan.
 
If we are going to be looking at some scottish league managers...might as well bring back Nuno.

From the remaining managers who havent laughed levy away yet, I'd choose xPotter. At least we will play eye pleasing football.
 
Brian Fantana said:
I just find the whole Nagelsmann thing weird and I actually think we can use the nonsense from the press to think a bit more clearly about it. Although this is probably me being wildly optimistic but I’m trying to stick to the facts.

1. We know there is a clause in his contract which says Bayern are due a lot of money if he signs for another club before the end of the season.

2. We are heavily linked with him for weeks and refute that we’ve met. It is the only time the club have pushed anything via the media. Seems sensible for us to distance ourselves if we don’t want Munich to think we are speaking to him.

3. Since then we haven’t appointed a DOF.

4. We spoke to Slot & the Feyenoord DOF but it never got as far as us speaking to Feyenoord over compensation because they didn’t want to leave. Both men said that. We don’t know when.

5. We still haven’t appointed a manager and Nagelsmann is sitting right there. He’s signed for nobody else either. Maybe other clubs are playing the same game as us.

All that might be complete bollocks but that’s without journalists spin and agent agendas. That’s the current picture. If we are sitting here after next weekend when all the seasons end, still with no manager, I wouldn’t be surprised if links to Nagelsmann appear. Especially if no DOF has been appointed before then either.
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Makes sense to try and get nagglesman when we don't have to pay bayern anything.
 
Elias said:
But Paratici never implemented Levy's declaration of "Spurs DNA" in his choice of Head Coaches.

Indeed, it's rumoured Paratici is the one who sabotaged the proposed Fonseca appointment, and Fonseca is far closer to that "Spurs DNA" than Nuno or Conte, as you've stated in this thread.

I see absolutely no evidence from Paratici's actions that he believed in the "Spurs DNA", except for signing talented young players like Gil & Sarr, who were promptly frozen out by his choice of Head Coach. Making those signings pointless, and a source of conflict with a grumpy Head Coach with a huge ego who wanted to blow crazy money on players like Zaniolo.

Paratici used his insider knowledge of the complicated contract / loan situations of Juve-connected players such as Romero, Kulusevski & Bentancur to sign them for Spurs. He was an insider deal maker, with good relations with a lot of agents.

I don't believe Paratici had a meaningful footballing vision for our club.
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Exactly why I would put more stock in getting the DOF “right”. Right meaning, aligning with a core strategy that you want to represent the club’s identity.

Well run clubs maintain success/performance due to a coherent strategy and vision. The head coach cannot drive that core strategy because he is the most transient cog in the whole machine.

Of course getting a great head coach can make a world of difference, but who do you want making the choice of head coach? Levy? Or a DOF with a philosophy and football knowledge to match.

Our most adventurous and progressive coaching choices (Jol, Ramos, AVB, Poch) were all made under DOF’s (Arnesen, Comolli, Baldini). Our best transfer business nearly all done under DOF’s.

Klopp’s a great coach, but look what happened when Michael Edwards left.

Even if you have a great coach, you still may lose him or have to sack him, then you are back to square one, so you want the “football smart” guy (DOF), not the money guy (Levy) making the decision who to replace him with.
 
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bus-conductor said:
Exactly why I would put more stock in getting the DOF “right”. Right meaning, aligning with a core strategy that you want to represent the club’s identity.

Well run clubs maintain success/performance due to a coherent strategy and vision. The head coach cannot drive that core strategy because he is the most transient cog in the whole machine.

Of course getting a great head coach can make a world of difference, but who do you want making the choice of head coach? Levy? Or a DOF with a philosophy and football knowledge to match.

Our most adventurous and progressive coaching choices (Jol, Ramos, AVB, Poch) were all made under DOF’s (Arnesen, Comolli, Baldini). Our best transfer business nearly all done under DOF’s.

Even if you have a great coach, you still may lose him or have to sack him, then you are back to square one, so you want the “football smart” guy (DOF), not the money guy (Levy) making the decision who to replace him with.
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Still reliant on Levy getting the right DoF. Last time we had Fonseca ready and then levy hired Paratici. Paratici said I don’t want to watch attacking football I want to watch dog turd, stopped Fonseca and got Nuno. Levy was better than Paratici at managers and that is saying something.

So all hope is on the right DoF.
 
Aussie93 said:
All fair points although I don’t necessarily agree with the last part. Not every manager has it handed to them on a silver platter, he’s had to do the hard yards and there’s no doubt he’s proven he can coach over the past 10 years.

Can he do it at a club as big as Tottenham? That’s his next challenge if he gets the opportunity. I would back him to do so 100%, but I also understand why Spurs fans would rather go for a more proven alternative.

Having said that everyone is saying that Scotland is a two team comp (which it is), & that Celtic have all the money. But Bayern have won the last 10 Bundesligas and Naglesmann had them in 2nd place this year before he was sacked if im not mistaken. Bayern also literally buy all of Dortmunds best players and have by far and away the most financial resources in their competition. Obviously Naglesmann has a stronger CV than Ange but his time at Bayern didn’t go to plan
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how in gods name does naglesmann have a better CV than Ange??
Ange:
3 x NSL titles
participated in a club world cup with sth Melbourne
1 x AFC asian championsip victory with Aus
2 x aleague titles
1 x j-league title
2 x SPL titles
2 x scottish cup titles
coached at a world cup
qualified aus team to a world cup
+ other cups that he won also

i will wait for your response
 
bus-conductor said:
Exactly why I would put more stock in getting the DOF “right”. Right meaning, aligning with a core strategy that you want to represent the club’s identity.

Well run clubs maintain success/performance due to a coherent strategy and vision. The head coach cannot drive that core strategy because he is the most transient cog in the whole machine.

Of course getting a great head coach can make a world of difference, but who do you want making the choice of head coach? Levy? Or a DOF with a philosophy and football knowledge to match.

Our most adventurous and progressive coaching choices (Jol, Ramos, AVB, Poch) were all made under DOF’s (Arnesen, Comolli, Baldini). Our best transfer business nearly all done under DOF’s.

Even if you have a great coach, you still may lose him or have to sack him, then you are back to square one, so you want the “football smart” guy (DOF), not the money guy (Levy) making the decision who to replace him with.
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I entirely understand, and indeed approve, the concept of a DoF providing continuity of footballing philosophy & recruitment (incl for the Academy) as Head Coaches come & go.

But the concept, and the real world experience, are a million miles apart. Again, I argue the experience at our club has produced chaos, not continuity.

Arnesen had to appoint Jol as Santini's sidekick to get him into the club, and then Levy fired Jol at half time. And Frankie's fax machine flirtations with the chavs broke that relationship.

Comolli & AVB? I hardly look back on that as a great era in the history of our famous club.

Also, please prove me wrong, but I never thought the Baldini - Poch relationship was that strong.

Indeed, a quick google reminds me that Poch allegedly got Baldini out of the club.

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Pepperami said:
Why all the negativity surrounding Rodgers? An FA Cup and two fifth placed finishes with Leicester before it went to shit. Celtic were even more dominant than they usually are when he was there.

Yes it went to shit at Leicester but the same thing happens with every manager. Also Leicester bought him losers like Jannik Vestergaard and Ryan Bertrand and sold some of the best players (Fofana, Maguire) prior to this season.

They haven't exactly experienced a resurgence since they got rid of him either which indicates their troubles weren't all down to him.
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That last paragraph, it's worth paying some attention to, but all it actually confirms for certain right now is that his successor, Dean Smith, isn't better than him.
 
Matt1882 said:
This is all nonsense. Comparing apples with sledge hammers.

Di Zerbi has been doing his thing in the Premier league. A league packed with very good to half decent coaches. He's been implementing his style of play with a club that has never played a European game. Never won a major trophy. Is comprehensively out earned and out spent by the majority of the teams he plays against.

Postecuglu on the other hand is at the ONLY club in their league that will win the league. They earn more than probably every other team in their league combined. They have a squad of players that's probably 2 leagues above what the rest of the sides other than Rangers have. The competition for Celtic every week is so low, they absolutely should be miles better, look amazing, be in control, use possession etc etc. The coach may have some say, but it doesn't make it great coaching.

Now Ange could come down the PL and be brilliant. But nobody knows that. He's never been a manager in a league where there is so much competition, so many competent managers, so much money for even the poorer teams. He could come down the PL and get completely found out. He may also suffer the same ridicule as Jesse Marsh for being from a country who don't exactly take football as their number 1 sport. That could even come from within the squad.
And at Celtic, he seems to have scouted players from australasia regions. Most of them wouldn't have a hope in hell chance of improving Spurs.

If it's him, it's him. But I ain't getting on board with it before he proves himself.
He's the sort of coach that should have been doing it in his 40s in a bigger league if he's any good.
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Ange was doing it in a bigger league than the A league in his 40s. He was coaching Australia to the world cup finals and an Asian Cup title. Just a couple of points. 1. You need to be a little less concerned by him being at Celtic. That was his entry into European football. You need to look at his other achievements. 2. The A League may not be high level - but it is competitive. It has to be. It's salary capped. The only way to gain a competitive advantage is in the coaching. You cannot buy an A League title. There is a reason why Graham Arnold was named by Lequipe as the best coach at the 2022 world cup. Graham has 3 A league titles. 3. Winning a J league title as a foreign coach is not easy. The cultural aspects are completely different from coaching in Australia and, I dare say, in Europe. Yokahama Marinos had not won a title for 15 years. To do it he had to completely subvert the club's football dynamic within a foreign (to Ange) culture. There are a couple of interviews floating round explaining how he did it. They are very revealing.
 
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flop said:
how in gods name does naglesmann have a better CV than Ange??
Ange:
3 x NSL titles
participated in a club world cup with sth Melbourne
1 x AFC asian championsip victory with Aus
2 x aleague titles
1 x j-league title
2 x SPL titles
2 x scottish cup titles
coached at a world cup
qualified aus team to a world cup
+ other cups that he won also

i will wait for your response
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Ange has only coached in shit leagues that have milkmen playing center back
 
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