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how does this guy think he is going to sort this mess out ?
he just keeps saying "work hard work hard"
he drops Dele yet brings himon as sub to save the game--- What's that about ?

told you all he should have been sacked 19 aug for the team/subs he had in portugal (he had no experianced subs to bring on in case needed the guy is an idiot)
 
This morning they're telling me that Nono has equalled a record currently held by another legendary Spurs manager.
5 losses in the first 10 Premiership games is the crown deservedly worn by the irreplaceable Mr Gross.

Well done, Nono.
 
The only glimmer of hope (that I’m clinging onto) is that - sometimes - when you’re coaching (I teach, so it’s similar-ish) you do have to go back to go forwards. As the coach, Nuno will be looking for evidence of whatever it is he wants to see and there may be some shoots appearing. That’s why - for all his faults and shitness - I get what Arteta is about when he talks about the ‘process’.

What can I see that’s improved or changed? Not a lot - perhaps more possession; lots of triangles and options when playing in our half; Sonny’s movement is good; PEH is more mobile (though not aggressive enough moving forwards). I also wonder about fitness - have they been over trained? Most of the team are pretty static - I would assume that Nuno and his team understand how to slowly ratchet up training but - if the rumours of the 18mths with Jose are true - these ‘elite’ athletes are coming from a low place for fitness?

If, for example, we give Kane the benefit of the doubt and he does want to be here, could his lacklustre performances be down to tiredness? No-one shows any real agility?

However, TLDR - this is me clutching at straws and the biggest issues that Nuno has to solve are the invisible CF and CM - it looks like Kane and GLC / Tanguy aren’t going to hack it right now.
 
Your really clinging there would love if you were proven correct but I see no way back for Nuno rightly or wrongly he is not getting any old tune whatsoever from this bunch and we do have a few decent players that should be performing better .
 
ChrissyWaddleShares said:
The only glimmer of hope (that I’m clinging onto) is that - sometimes - when you’re coaching (I teach, so it’s similar-ish) you do have to go back to go forwards. As the coach, Nuno will be looking for evidence of whatever it is he wants to see and there may be some shoots appearing. That’s why - for all his faults and shitness - I get what Arteta is about when he talks about the ‘process’.

What can I see that’s improved or changed? Not a lot - perhaps more possession; lots of triangles and options when playing in our half; Sonny’s movement is good; PEH is more mobile (though not aggressive enough moving forwards). I also wonder about fitness - have they been over trained? Most of the team are pretty static - I would assume that Nuno and his team understand how to slowly ratchet up training but - if the rumours of the 18mths with Jose are true - these ‘elite’ athletes are coming from a low place for fitness?

If, for example, we give Kane the benefit of the doubt and he does want to be here, could his lacklustre performances be down to tiredness? No-one shows any real agility?

However, TLDR - this is me clutching at straws and the biggest issues that Nuno has to solve are the invisible CF and CM - it looks like Kane and GLC / Tanguy aren’t going to hack it right now.
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fitness levels can't be that hard to change, maybe you won't get full power Poch, but get 80mins worth, then bring on subs (maybe have to change formation sightly (but that is the role of a manager/coach, we used to do it at grassroots level and only have a few hours a week with players)

also a lot down to man management, this guy is hopeless at that, Scarlett is not ready for mens football yet, but everytime the second 11 play scarlett plays, what must the other 10 think ?
how id Dele not god enough on weds against burnley yet comes on as sub last night
 
ChrissyWaddleShares said:
The only glimmer of hope (that I’m clinging onto) is that - sometimes - when you’re coaching (I teach, so it’s similar-ish) you do have to go back to go forwards. As the coach, Nuno will be looking for evidence of whatever it is he wants to see and there may be some shoots appearing. That’s why - for all his faults and shitness - I get what Arteta is about when he talks about the ‘process’.

What can I see that’s improved or changed? Not a lot - perhaps more possession; lots of triangles and options when playing in our half; Sonny’s movement is good; PEH is more mobile (though not aggressive enough moving forwards). I also wonder about fitness - have they been over trained? Most of the team are pretty static - I would assume that Nuno and his team understand how to slowly ratchet up training but - if the rumours of the 18mths with Jose are true - these ‘elite’ athletes are coming from a low place for fitness?

If, for example, we give Kane the benefit of the doubt and he does want to be here, could his lacklustre performances be down to tiredness? No-one shows any real agility?

However, TLDR - this is me clutching at straws and the biggest issues that Nuno has to solve are the invisible CF and CM - it looks like Kane and GLC / Tanguy aren’t going to hack it right now.
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The lack of movement is the key for me.

Stretching back to the last 12-18 months of Poch, our pass and move has been terrible. We struggle to move through the lines, it looks so much easier for literally every team we play. That is down to movement and is why lo celso can go to Argentina and look so much better, he has options.

There is a deep rot embedded in the club whereby players basically can't be arsed to move properly as far as I can see
 
Taricco's Tackle said:
The lack of movement is the key for me.

Stretching back to the last 12-18 months of Poch, our pass and move has been terrible. We struggle to move through the lines, it looks so much easier for literally every team we play. That is down to movement and is why lo celso can go to Argentina and look so much better, he has options.

There is a deep rot embedded in the club whereby players basically can't be arsed to move properly as far as I can see
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A lot of our players decline to some degree bar a few.

Bergwijn: looked good, strong on the ball, linked well. Now he is a joke

Lo Celso: great for Argentina but turns into a mess for us

Sanchez: good first season now a mess

Kane: given up

Dier: gradually got worse over time

Regulion: looked class when he first turned up

Ndombele: for Lyon and France ran the midfield, for us a mercurial talent

Winks: was ok when he first came on the scene, not sure what he is now

Dele: wow!

The clubs training/coaching is it’s biggest weakness, it’s a disaster. We destroy footballers. Watch Romero, Skipp and Royal decline over the next 1-2 years to our level.
 
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Tomo said:
A lot of our players decline to some degree bar a few.

Bergwijn: looked good, strong on the ball, linked well. Now he is a joke

Lo Celso: great for Argentina but turns into a mess for us

Sanchez: good first season now a mess

Kane: given up

Dier: gradually got worse over time

Regulion: looked class when he first turned up

Ndombele: for Lyon and France ran the midfield, for us a mercurial talent

Winks: was ok when he first came on the season, not sure what he is now

Dele: wow!

The clubs training/coaching is it’s biggest weakness, it’s a disaster.
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Yep, I remember thinking bergwijn was class when he first came and not just because of a low percentage shot vs City.

If you watch him vs villa away he was brilliant, direct but also quality on the ball, beating men and not giving it away.

Reggie looked great for seville, and has just gone backwards. There is something desperately wrong when every single player barring maybe Son goes backwards
 
Taricco's Tackle said:
Yep, I remember thinking bergwijn was class when he first came and not just because of a low percentage shot vs City.

If you watch him vs villa away he was brilliant, direct but also quality on the ball, beating men and not giving it away.

Reggie looked great for seville, and has just gone backwards. There is something desperately wrong when every single player barring maybe Son goes backwards
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It’s a major issue. It means we can’t use the transfer window to buy our way out of problems, anyone we buy just turns to shit.

Look at how Poch fixed Dembele, Rose, Walker, Eriksen etc. We need a manager to come with staff who can work and improve players not make them race backwards that could fix 5-10 of our players.

We can’t fix the squad without fixing the management and coaching staff.
 
Was hoping I’d have calmed down by this morning after a good nights sleep, but nope. That performance, at home, plumbed new depths.

The absolute irony is that with a competent manager, we could still have a decent season. If someone had said pre season, you’ll be within 5 points of city after 10 games, I wouldn’t have been completely disheartened.

It’s just the rudderless, toothless and shameful performances we are putting in with monotonous regularity.

It is a classic case of the players not buying into the managers philosophy - if he even has a philosophy.

Levy needs to stop fucking around and swing the axe.

We need a competent man with a plan. Not a bloke who looks like he’s on death row. Poor bugger looks absolutely haunted and he’s well out of his depth.

The club really needs an overhaul from top to bottom and as much as it pains me to say it, I firmly believe we are stuck with ENIC - which means there is no overhaul on the cards.

Poch warned them that there would have to be a painful rebuild. Shame they didn’t listen to him at the time whether or not it was the right time to part ways with him.

Now, we are stuck with disgruntled and disenfranchised twenty somethings on fat & long contracts who won’t play for the manager & that we are going to struggle to move out of the club. It’s a shit show.
 
Boltonspur said:
Was hoping I’d have calmed down by this morning after a good nights sleep, but nope. That performance, at home, plumbed new depths.

The absolute irony is that with a competent manager, we could still have a decent season. If someone had said pre season, you’ll be within 5 points of city after 10 games, I wouldn’t have been completely disheartened.

It’s just the rudderless, toothless and shameful performances we are putting in with monotonous regularity.

It is a classic case of the players not buying into the managers philosophy - if he even has a philosophy.

Levy needs to stop fucking around and swing the axe.

We need a competent man with a plan. Not a bloke who looks like he’s on death row. Poor bugger looks absolutely haunted and he’s well out of his depth.

The club really needs an overhaul from top to bottom and as much as it pains me to say it, I firmly believe we are stuck with ENIC - which means there is no overhaul on the cards.

Poch warned them that there would have to be a painful rebuild. Shame they didn’t listen to him at the time whether or not it was the right time to part ways with him.

Now, we are stuck with disgruntled and disenfranchised twenty somethings on fat & long contracts that we are going to struggle to move out of the club. It’s a shit show.
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What is the philosophy? In defence I can see it on the ball we don’t have one.
 
Top_Spur said:
I was prepared to give him time as I don't think he is a bad coach at the correct team and with the correct players however it's clear this job isn't suited to him. The players don't believe in him, this clearly shows cos of the lack of effort being put in.

The Lucas Moura substitution was shocking. Did he do that on purpose because I was genuinely baffled like the majority of the stadium was.

Sometimes you don't mind losing if there is a clear plan however we can't keep losing 3-0 against good teams on a regular occasion and repeating the same mistakes.

Why is it the recent managers that we have are so keen on playing defensive football when we do have some great players going forward. It's bonkers really.
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And we still can’t defend!
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
I think we can lay the 'oh but Poch struggled in his first 10 or 11 games' argument to rest now. It wasnt good and we had a similar points total but it was never this bad. Who goes over 2 hours without a shot on target?
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Bringing up Pochettino’s early period in comparison to Nuno’s shows how people still can’t separate the process from results.

At this point I was slightly worried for Poch but I still had faith that given time he’d turn it around.

Never believed in Nuno. There’s nothing in the football, his words, his history.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
Bringing up Pochettino’s early period in comparison to Nuno’s shows how people still can’t separate the process from results.

At this point I was slightly worried for Poch but I still had faith that given time he’d turn it around.

Never believed in Nuno. There’s nothing in the football, his words, his history.
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Yep. We got Klopp we would probably still finish 5-6th and be on a bumpy road as the ideas are implemented but there is ideas. No point backing someone with no idea, it won’t suddenly click.
 
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