Our Squad - The January 2020 Rebuild

[Spursidol]

Rather than just considering who we want in, seems it might be useful to consider who moves on to make room for the incomers - and how many might move.

This is the current squad as at 31 December 2019.

Gk’s - Lloris or Vorm, Gazzaniga, ( Vorm is as an emergency GK in place of Lloris)
CB’s - Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Sanchez, Foyth (u21)
FB’s - Aurier, Walker Peters (Club), Rose (Club), Davies
CM’s - Ndombele, Winks (Club), Dier, Sissoko, Wanyama, Skipp (u21)
AM’s - Eriksen, Dele (Assn), Son, Moura, Lamela. Lo Celso, Sessegnon (Assn)
FWD’s – Kane (Club) Parrott

UEFA Player Designation Summary

Players are categorised by the UEFA designation of Club trained (Club) and Trained by other FA Affiliated Clubs (Assn) or Under 21 (u21), where there is no designation the player is Overseas Trained

Overseas Trained (maximum 17) : 17 (including Parrott and Vorm or Lloris)
Club Trained : 4. (Kane, Winks, Walker-Peters, Rose)
Trained by other FA Affiliated Club : 2 ( Dele, Sessegnon )
U21’s – 2 (Foyth, Skipp, )
Total - 25 Players (including Vorm or Lloris nd Parrott)

Note - as Parrott has been with Spurs for less than 2 years he is not regarded as an u21' player but an Overseas Trained player. Next season he will revert to being an u21'. Same rule means that Sessegnon will be categorised as an Association Trained player and not an u,21. whilst taking advantage of that rule means Foyth is an u21' this season.

When Lloris is declared fit, he will replace Vorm in the squad.

Under PL rules Davies is an HG player rather than overseas trained, whilst Parrott is an u21' rather than overseas trained. This means that we have 2 spare places for overseas trained players in the squad. However with any player signed to fill a vacant overseas trained player slot under PL definitions being unable to be registered for CL, Spurs are unlikely to utilise this unless Spurs decide to prioritise PL over CL, which would be a last resort

Not included in the above squad are a few youngsters who might be given more prominent positions if we cannot sign players we wish _- such as Tanganga, Clark and Amos who would take up HG places or u21' spots.

The Rebuild

The key to the rebuild is :
1. There are 2 spare places for HG players, however only a few candidates to fill these places are of sufficient quality for Spurs or are youngsters for the future.

Players we might see being moved on are KWP (JM doesn't fancy) and Rose

2. There are no spare spaces for Overseas trained players. Consequently we need to move on a few players and the most likely candidates I would suggest are :
-. Wanyama
- Eriksen.
- Lamela -. (if Eriksen stays,the ever injured Lamela would be a prime candidate to leave)
- Sissoko (but he is injured,)
- Foyth ,,- Next season he will be an overseas trained player and might be sacrificed as we will again need more space in the squad. I suspect Tanganga would take his squad place.

After that it would have to be one in and one out for the same position. Players might include :
-. Alderweireld
- Aurier.
- Moura (but only if we could get a good winger/ striker in to replace him.

I don't see any of the other players being moved on

Problem in moving any of the above players on is the player has to consent to the move - Wanyama turned down a perfectly good move to Club Bruge in the summer despite a healthy £65k wages offer.

So of the above list I'm not optimistic that more than 2 or maybe 3 overseas trained players will be moved on. - and it might be less. That of course limits the number of players coming in.

Lots would like to see a striker, RB, DM, and multiple other positions. Think they could be disappointed ?

Thoughts ?




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[Tomo]

Sell/release:

Dier, KWP, Waynama, Lamela, Eriksen, Rose, Vorm.

Maybe Loan if we are buying a few players:

Foyth, Skipp

keep for now:

Verts, Toby, Lloris, Sissoko, Aurier (don’t see us getting two RB’s if KWP goes)

Buy immediately

RB
DM
CF

Buy in summer

CM
GK
CB
AM

 

[VoiceOfThePoshSeats]

Do we really need anther post on this? Theres loads kicking about

 

[Spursidol]

Do we really need anther post on this? Theres loads kicking about

It comes as a surprise to far too many posters that we have a bloated squad, and need to get rid of some players before we can buy.

And specifically that we need to sell overseas trained players.

No point in posters adding more and more lists of players they think the club should buy because they don't realise it. Go through the "Transfer Thread" and work out what % of players the club can buy now - is it 1% ?

 

[VoiceOfThePoshSeats]

It comes as a surprise to far too many posters that we have a bloated squad, and need to get rid of some players before we can buy.

And specifically that we need to sell overseas trained players.

No point in posters adding more and more lists of players they think the club should buy because they don't realise it. Go through the "Transfer Thread" and work out what % of players the club can buy now - is it 1% ?

We sell at silly prices and wont shift them. Levy sales he cant move players on. He can, he just wont accept what people think they are worth.

 

[Spursidol]

We sell at silly prices and wont shift them. Levy sales he cant move players on. He can, he just wont accept what people think they are worth.

Good example where this is disproved is Wanyama to Club Bruges was all over the Belgian press with interviews with their manager ( a former team mate of Wanyama) who said fee of £13.5m agreed with Spurs and it seemed as if Wanyama had accepted the £65k PW on offer but wanted more time.

Wanyama hadn't accepted by he end of the summer TW so he is still here.

Alderweireld and father spent he summer trying to find a club offering the wages he thought he was worth at a release fee of £25m which everyone pre window thought was a give away.

Alderweireld went nowhere and signed a new contract with Spurs.

So another example where it is shown your views are demonstrated as being untrue.



Trying to move players on is a problem.

Best case this TW we move on 3 overseas trained players. Worst case might be only one.

But not for lack of trying - Levy wants some of them out as much as Mourhino and fans.

 

[Spursidol]

Sell/release:

Dier, KWP, Waynama, Lamela, Eriksen, Rose, Vorm.

Maybe Loan if we are buying a few players:

Foyth, Skipp

keep for now:

Verts, Toby, Lloris, Sissoko, Aurier (don’t see us getting two RB’s if KWP goes)

Buy immediately

RB
DM
CF

Buy in summer

CM
GK
CB
AM

Best case I think is selling 3 overseas trained (0ut of your Dier, Wanyama, Lamela, Eriksen - Vorm and Lloris share a place)

If I'm pesemistic it's only one player goes.

3 overseas trained players going gives us a chance of getting in several key players - one player might mean only the one striker coming in.


selling KWP and Rose (both Club trained players) doesn't give us any real ability to buy new players except any Spurs club trained players who have left (eg Bentaleb).

we still have 2 HG player spaces free, but most of the candidates to fill them likely to be "youngsters for the future" although a few decent options (eg Mouse's Dembele, Lyon Striker ex Fulham) but they are few and far between.

 

[Airfixx]

Pointless thread... Whadya think is being said over and over and over in the trf thread every day?

 

[Airfixx]

We sell at silly prices and wont shift them. Levy sales he cant move players on. He can, he just wont accept what people think they are worth.

Have you perhaps got any detail of the bids he's been refusing.....?

All info welcome.

 

[Spursidol]

Pointless thread... Whadya think is being said over and over and over in the trf thread every day?

"I want this player" is what's in the transfer thread.

Comes as a surprise to at least half the posters when they are told it's not a money issue, just there is no space at Spurs for that player.

 

[Airfixx]

"I want this player" is what's in the transfer thread.

Comes as a surprise to at least half the posters when they are told it's not a money issue, just there is no space at Spurs for that player.

Funny cos a day or two ago that very discussion kicked off in there.... We both know convo doesn't restrict itself to "I want X".

 

[COckneY Spurs]

There is a rebuild required no question, and it’s a difficult one for several reasons:
1 - It’s at least 5 or 6 of our starting 11 never mind back ups.
2 - We won’t/can’t spend spend spend.
3 - It’s going to take time, and as that time goes by players we would consider our top players whom to build around might get disillusioned as they move towards the dreaded 30 birthday candles.
4 - We have way too many players on good wages and long contracts who are always injured or just shit and are so so difficult to get shot of, restricting our ability to free slots for new players.
5 - CL football may disappear next season, tho that won’t make a difference on who we sign as we haven’t really signed a “wow” player even tho we are CL regulars, but it will make the transfer kitty suffer.

If Levy & Jose get on the same same page quickly this mess might be salvageable, but if they don’t we are headed into another 1990’s decade. People might laugh at the last bit there but not only our rivals are way stronger, mid table teams could well overtake us, honestly they already are