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Management Poll: Who do you want most as our next manager?

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Who would be your first choice?

  • Graham Potter

  • Scott Parker

  • Ten Hag

  • Rafa Benitez

  • None of the above - comment below

  • *Marcelo Bielsa

  • *Ralf Rangnick

  • *Ralph Hasenhüttl

  • *Steven Gerrard

  • *Julen Lopetegui

  • *Christophe Galtier

  • *Marcelo Gallardo

  • *Oliver Glasner

  • *Ryan Mason

  • *Maurizio Sarri

  • *Gian Piero Gasperini

  • *Mauricio Pochettino

  • *Antonio Conte

  • *Eddie Howe

  • *Gareth Southgate

  • *Nuno Espirito Santo

  • *Paulo Fonseca

  • *Gennaro Gattuso

  • *Ernesto Valverde

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Oracle said:
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:levystare:What’s Steve Bruce’s number?
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Bit of a misleading headline. He says he’s happy and has lots of work to do but speculation is part of the job. Hardly batting it away, but that wouldn’t go with the spurs are useless line of thought being banged out daily in the media.
 
Cravenspurs said:
They on average have 51% of the ball if I remember correctly. They are not a constant pressing team. I swear people just don't watch football.

Take it from me. Have missed one game of theirs this season. They have not struggled against teams that sit in a low block. They struggle at finishing.
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Yeah, it's kind of insane how unclinical they are. I read Just how unlucky are Brighton? Expected goals analysis of Graham Potter's side which notes that as of a month ago, Brighton were FIRST in xP in the league. They're just shockingly "unlucky" in constantly outplaying teams but never getting results - but what's kinda interesting to me is that Potter's seem to historically underperform their xP, like he was 5th in xP with Swansea but finished 10th. Is he just bad at spotting strikers, or maybe the playing style has a hidden bias in xP that doesn't translate to results? I'm not sure but I admit most of my intrigue with him is just seeing what he could do if handed a genuinely elite striker 🤔
 
Cravenspurs said:
They on average have 51% of the ball if I remember correctly. They are not a constant pressing team. I swear people just don't watch football.

Take it from me. Have missed one game of theirs this season. They have not struggled against teams that sit in a low block. They struggle at finishing.
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It's like people just don't listen....
As soon as Tottenham or other top 6 teams arrive, the opposition play a totally different way.

We have absolutely no idea at all if Potter would have any success whatsoever against 2 thirds of the league as a Spurs coach.
It may be Brighton Vs Burnley and Spurs Vs Burnley, but that Burnley team will be totally different.

We just don't know if it'll work. I'd rather let someone else find out. Let him go to an Everton or even a West Ham. If he succeeds there the go back for him when we sack out next manager. Which is guaranteed within 3 years.
 
skyfarer said:
Yeah, it's kind of insane how unclinical they are. I read Just how unlucky are Brighton? Expected goals analysis of Graham Potter's side which notes that as of a month ago, Brighton were FIRST in xP in the league. They're just shockingly "unlucky" in constantly outplaying teams but never getting results - but what's kinda interesting to me is that Potter's seem to historically underperform their xP, like he was 5th in xP with Swansea but finished 10th. Is he just bad at spotting strikers, or maybe the playing style has a hidden bias in xP that doesn't translate to results? I'm not sure but I admit most of my intrigue with him is just seeing what he could do if handed a genuinely elite striker 🤔
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You are never going to match your advanced statistics unless you have quality. City match theirs because well, they have world class players in every position.

West Ham are outperforming theirs. After watching much of them this season, it comes down to grafting and a bit of luck. They don't create many great chances, but they are converting them.

Do they have quality? Antonio sure has redefined himself, but certainly not. There will always be outliers in sport.

I think it is more important to look at how you are setting up your teams. Potter left Swansea but Cooper has continued a very similar style and now they are moving up the table. I have no doubt that if Potter stays with Brighton, they will start to creap up.
 
Matt1882 said:
It's like people just don't listen....
As soon as Tottenham or other top 6 teams arrive, the opposition play a totally different way.

We have absolutely no idea at all if Potter would have any success whatsoever against 2 thirds of the league as a Spurs coach.
It may be Brighton Vs Burnley and Spurs Vs Burnley, but that Burnley team will be totally different.

We just don't know if it'll work. I'd rather let someone else find out. Let him go to an Everton or even a West Ham. If he succeeds there the go back for him when we sack out next manager. Which is guaranteed within 3 years.
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Quality on the pitch typically wins out.

He will get us in their final third, when teams are parked, and still create chances. We just have better players than Brighton.

Your first line is funny as fuck as you historically don't listen or step one foot outside your comfort zone.
 
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ginola92 said:
So results matter when it comes to rodgers?

But when it comes to Potter results are irrelevant right
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I hear that. But I want to see Potter with my team as I am convinced those 12 or so draws would be converted to some more points. Many of those draws have been "fuck me, just tap it in" but they fluff their lines.

It's clear to me. The divide is between

People that watch Brighton or are statistics fans.

Or

People who don't and question statistics outside league position.
 
Graham Potter played once for England U21s, as a manager he got a team in Sweden promoted through the equivalent of moving a team from the Southern League to League Two. He got Swansea to 10th in the Championship and managed to keep Brighton up by the skin of their teeth.

The way his reputation has grown is a real mystery.
 
Jenny Talia said:
Graham Potter played once for England U21s, as a manager he got a team in Sweden promoted through the equivalent of moving a team from the Southern League to League Two. He got Swansea to 10th in the Championship and managed to keep Brighton up by the skin of their teeth.

The way his reputation has grown is a real mystery.
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It’s not all about achievements. It’s about the way they were made. If Steve Bruce had the same exact CV but played his dreadful trademark football nobody would vote for him to come to spurs.
 
HITC: Rui Vitoria is the latest manager to slip through Tottenham Hotspur’s grasp

Are they taking the piss now? Waste of web space cunts.
 
Jenny Talia said:
Graham Potter played once for England U21s, as a manager he got a team in Sweden promoted through the equivalent of moving a team from the Southern League to League Two. He got Swansea to 10th in the Championship and managed to keep Brighton up by the skin of their teeth.

The way his reputation has grown is a real mystery.
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I think his reputation is based on his desire to play attractive football. Most managers in a relegation battle play ten men behind the ball (JM Style) but Potter believes in keeping the ball.
 
Nabil Bentaleb said:
It’s not all about achievements. It’s about the way they were made. If Steve Bruce had the same exact CV but played his dreadful trademark football nobody would vote for him to come to spurs.
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Yeah but why don't we hire someone with a good CV?

Like, I buy that Brighton have had just poor luck to not have better results this season, and that xG reflects that.

But....that's the best argument? We're going to hire a guy because advanced stats say his relegation fodder team isn't THAT bad?

If playing swashbuckling expansive football across multiple divisions to no particular effect is our criteria, Ian Holloway would be happy to take the job, I'm sure.
 
FightingIllini said:
Yeah but why don't we hire someone with a good CV?

Like, I buy that Brighton have had just poor luck to not have better results this season, and that xG reflects that.

But....that's the best argument? We're going to hire a guy because advanced stats say his relegation fodder team isn't THAT bad?

If playing swashbuckling expansive football across multiple divisions to no particular effect is our criteria, Ian Holloway would be happy to take the job, I'm sure.
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We tried the amazing fantastic CV with Jose and was a disaster. I think we should gamble. Potter looks like a great gamble imo.
 
Why are some worried about whether Potter can play against teams that sit back? they are inevitable if you play good football that is attacking/possession based which is at least what I want to see and his style of play seems to be the best equipped for those situations.

I reckon we're a lot more likely to be successful if we play to our current strengths and put the emphasis on the attacking players to break down teams than our defenders from keeping teams out.
 
FightingIllini said:
Yeah but why don't we hire someone with a good CV?

Like, I buy that Brighton have had just poor luck to not have better results this season, and that xG reflects that.

But....that's the best argument? We're going to hire a guy because advanced stats say his relegation fodder team isn't THAT bad?

If playing swashbuckling expansive football across multiple divisions to no particular effect is our criteria, Ian Holloway would be happy to take the job, I'm sure.
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What was Poch's CV before coming here?
 
Cravenspurs said:
They on average have 51% of the ball if I remember correctly. They are not a constant pressing team. I swear people just don't watch football.

Take it from me. Have missed one game of theirs this season. They have not struggled against teams that sit in a low block. They struggle at finishing.
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It's like people just don't listen
Cravenspurs said:
Quality on the pitch typically wins out.

He will get us in their final third, when teams are parked, and still create chances. We just have better players than Brighton.

Your first line is funny as fuck as you historically don't listen or step one foot outside your comfort zone.
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I'm not saying it won't work.
I'm saying we don't know and I'd rather see him try somewhere else.

People were crying into their cornflakes we didn't get Nagglesman but he'll be available in a few years. Even Klopp might be.
It's a never ending merry go round
 
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