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Management Poll: Who do you want most as our next manager?

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Who would be your first choice?

  • Graham Potter

  • Scott Parker

  • Ten Hag

  • Rafa Benitez

  • None of the above - comment below

  • *Marcelo Bielsa

  • *Ralf Rangnick

  • *Ralph Hasenhüttl

  • *Steven Gerrard

  • *Julen Lopetegui

  • *Christophe Galtier

  • *Marcelo Gallardo

  • *Oliver Glasner

  • *Ryan Mason

  • *Maurizio Sarri

  • *Gian Piero Gasperini

  • *Mauricio Pochettino

  • *Antonio Conte

  • *Eddie Howe

  • *Gareth Southgate

  • *Nuno Espirito Santo

  • *Paulo Fonseca

  • *Gennaro Gattuso

  • *Ernesto Valverde

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FightingIllini said:
You're misunderstanding me.

You are positing a short-term trade-off of playing younger players that isn't really there. Give the kids a chance and the ones that can help us will reveal themselves and make us better right now.

Mason Mount was better than the guys he got games over at Chelsea. We'd have gotten much more out of Oliver Skipp this season than Moussa Sissoko.
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Why not both though?

Why not bring in the youth like Skipp that are better than their counterparts and bring in some youth that might not be immediate upgrades but aren't really much of a drop off either?

In my example of Aurier and Lavinier. Neither are good enough to start in the PL so if we are getting in a new RB why keep Aurier as the back-up when putting Lavinier in there gives us hope for the future, develops a player and helps us move out guys that should be gone?

I am not saying boot Kane for Scarlett, I am talking about moving out guys that clearly are not good enough and giving youth a chance to step up. Stop worrying about whether we have replacement for crap like Aurier, Winks, Sissoko, Dier, Sanchez, Lamela, Moura and get them out even if it means short term drop off by playing a young guy that doesn't have the same level of PL experience.
 
Igula said:
Why not both though?

Why not bring in the youth like Skipp that are better than their counterparts and bring in some youth that might not be immediate upgrades but aren't really much of a drop off either?

In my example of Aurier and Lavinier. Neither are good enough to start in the PL so if we are getting in a new RB why keep Aurier as the back-up when putting Lavinier in there gives us hope for the future, develops a player and helps us move out guys that should be gone?

I am not saying boot Kane for Scarlett, I am talking about moving out guys that clearly are not good enough and giving youth a chance to step up. Stop worrying about whether we have replacement for crap like Aurier, Winks, Sissoko, Dier, Sanchez, Lamela, Moura and get them out even if it means short term drop off by playing a young guy that doesn't have the same level of PL experience.
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Not playing the players who give you the best chance to win is a great way to lose a dressing room. These guys are competitors, that's their DNA, it's toxic to tell players who are outperforming their understudies that the situation demands that they aren't in the team.

WITH THAT SAID, poor managers and poor club cultures lead to a situation where salary, track record, and predictability become stand-ins for performance levels, and you get the same problem in reverse, where superior players who can offer more to the team languish behind more decorated options. The classic example for us being Kane behind Adebayor and Soldado. And god knows there are examples in the current team.

A good manager can see what Poch saw, that an 18-year-old Dele Alli was one of his best players, that Eric Dier offered something in midfield that Stambouli or Capoue didn't, etc etc.

No competitor is going to say "I am going to allow us to lose today's game for the greater good". But a smart competitor will say "winning today's game means combatting my own bias toward options I have relied upon in the past".

We need to be "brave" in the Pochettino sense of the term. To Dare Is To Do really is a terrific motto for a football club.
 
FightingIllini said:
Not playing the players who give you the best chance to win is a great way to lose a dressing room. These guys are competitors, that's their DNA, it's toxic to tell players who are outperforming their understudies that the situation demands that they aren't in the team.

WITH THAT SAID, poor managers and poor club cultures lead to a situation where salary, track record, and predictability become stand-ins for performance levels, and you get the same problem in reverse, where superior players who can offer more to the team languish behind more decorated options. The classic example for us being Kane behind Adebayor and Soldado. And god knows there are examples in the current team.

A good manager can see what Poch saw, that an 18-year-old Dele Alli was one of his best players, that Eric Dier offered something in midfield that Stambouli or Capoue didn't, etc etc.

No competitor is going to say "I am going to allow us to lose today's game for the greater good". But a smart competitor will say "winning today's game means combatting my own bias toward options I have relied upon in the past".

We need to be "brave" in the Pochettino sense of the term. To Dare Is To Do really is a terrific motto for a football club.
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Well first you aren't playing them over anyone you are shipping them out. If guys are pissed that Aurier is sold this summer, get them out too. If people can't handle that Tanganga is ahead of Dier on the depth chart they can fuck off. If people are concerned that after 8 years of sucking Cirkin or Sessegnon plays in the EL over Ben Davies see ya.

Again this is not sitting Kane for Scarlett or Son down for Jack Clarke. We are talking about moving out guys who clearly are not good enough. I would rather see Harvey White get minutes than Moussa fucking Sissoko and if that upsets the team then too bad get the fuck out.

We have spent so much time wasted on talent that is not good enough. If players can't handle that guys who suck don't play then move them out as well. I have zero interest in keeping a dressing room which wants to maintain mediocrity and gets upset that bad players are replaced after playing like garbage.
 
Igula said:
Well first you aren't playing them over anyone you are shipping them out. If guys are pissed that Aurier is sold this summer, get them out too. If people can't handle that Tanganga is ahead of Dier on the depth chart they can fuck off. If people are concerned that after 8 years of sucking Cirkin or Sessegnon plays in the EL over Ben Davies see ya.

Again this is not sitting Kane for Scarlett or Son down for Jack Clarke. We are talking about moving out guys who clearly are not good enough. I would rather see Harvey White get minutes than Moussa fucking Sissoko and if that upsets the team then too bad get the fuck out.

We have spent so much time wasted on talent that is not good enough. If players can't handle that guys who suck don't play then move them out as well. I have zero interest in keeping a dressing room which wants to maintain mediocrity and gets upset that bad players are replaced after playing like garbage.
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We seem to be arguing a point on which we almost totally agree.

Skipp and Tanganga in particular have both consistently appeared to be better players than guys who are etched in stone on our teamsheet for no justifiable reason.
 
FightingIllini said:
We seem to be arguing a point on which we almost totally agree.

Skipp and Tanganga in particular have both consistently appeared to be better players than guys who are etched in stone on our teamsheet for no justifiable reason.
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I think that your experience with NA sports, based on your username, and my use of some words caused some confusion. I am not advocating for us to move out good players and play youngsters instead like happens in NA sports during a rebuild. I am talking about moving out the deadwood and using youth players to play, if we can't bring in expensive replacements right away.

I hate that it seems for the club and some on here, that we justify keeping crap like Aurier, Sissoko, Davies, Dier, Winks, Sanchez because of a fear that we don't have the money to bring in KDB, Ramos, Sancho, VVD etc. to replace them. It leads us to maintaining mediocrity and putting finishing 6th for the next 5 years with no future ahead of taking a small dip to jump back into the top 4.
 
Igula said:
I hate that it seems for the club and some on here, that we justify keeping crap like Aurier, Sissoko, Davies, Dier, Winks, Sanchez because of a fear that we don't have the money to bring in KDB, Ramos, Sancho, VVD etc. to replace them. It leads us to maintaining mediocrity and putting finishing 6th for the next 5 years with no future ahead of taking a small dip to jump back into the top 4.
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While still agreeing, we brought in Ndombele and Doherty to replace Aurier and Sissoko and one is an enigma on a good day (and probably not a like-for-like anyway) and the other is somehow significantly worse than his utterly terrible counterpart.

There's a lot wrong atm.
 
FightingIllini said:
While still agreeing, we brought in Ndombele and Doherty to replace Aurier and Sissoko and one is an enigma on a good day (and probably not a like-for-like anyway) and the other is somehow significantly worse than his utterly terrible counterpart.

There's a lot wrong atm.
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I am pretty sure Ndombele was not bought to replace Sissoko, but to try plugging the gaping hole in the squad and tactics left after Mousa Dembele was no longer healthy.
 
Seriously the level between Lavenier and Aurier is massive. Lavenier is probaby League 2 at best standard at the moment. He just could not live with the physicality of the Prem. He would be behind Aurier, Doherty, Tanganga, Dier and even Sissoko as a right back choice currently.
A loan out to develop them is much the better option, and hopefully we will see Skipp being able to at least challenge for a place in the starting line up next season. All he has done so far is look OK in a side that the prior season got humiliated week in, week out in the Prem though.

I mean you just have to look at Troy Parrott, 2 goals in 38 matches so far in lower divisions, the gap is immense, and there is nothing I have seen from any of our kids that I think they could go straight into our first team squad.
 
Trotter said:
Seriously the level between Lavenier and Aurier is massive. Lavenier is probaby League 2 at best standard at the moment. He just could not live with the physicality of the Prem. He would be behind Aurier, Doherty, Tanganga, Dier and even Sissoko as a right back choice currently.
A loan out to develop them is much the better option, and hopefully we will see Skipp being able to at least challenge for a place in the starting line up next season. All he has done so far is look OK in a side that the prior season got humiliated week in, week out in the Prem though.

I mean you just have to look at Troy Parrott, 2 goals in 38 matches so far in lower divisions, the gap is immense, and there is nothing I have seen from any of our kids that I think they could go straight into our first team squad.
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Why would the kids have to go straight into the first team squad?
 
Mauricio Magic said:
Am I the only one who is Mason in? He needs more time with this squad to ingrain his tactics and nurture his man-management style on to the players.
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I am sure you are not the only one but it is an insane opinion to have.

What are his tactics and how did he develop them having never been a coach before? How does he plan on implementing them having zero years of experience at coaching? How did he develop those man management skills having never had to deal with players as a manager or assistant ever?

What reason would we have for wanting to teach a guy how to manage with our first team squad? That is a ridiculous idea.
 
Trotter said:
You were the one suggesting playing some kids ahead of the first team squad,
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No I didn't. I said the opposite, multiple times.

In the Lavinier-Aurier example we would be bringing in a new RB to start ahead of either, in that case I would rather have Lavinier around starting in EL and early group games than Aurier.

My point with other guys is I don't want to keep deadwood like Davies, Sissoko, Winks, Lamela, Moura around when they can be replaced by youth players. None of those guys should be starting for us anyways so again no youth going directly to the first team.

This is also an extreme example as we should be replacing those guys with other players as well and youth does not mean that it can only come from our academy players.

For example a guy like Michael Olise is youth and ready for the PL and would be a much better option to have as a RW/AM option than Lamela despite being young and not PL experienced.
 
www.football.london

Spurs draw up shortlist of next manager candidates and will push on with talks

football.london understands Tottenham Hotspur are reaching the business end of their attempts to find a new manager to replace Jose Mourinho
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“Ajax boss Erik ten Hag was under consideration by Spurs only for Ajax to extend his contract by a year. While that would simply make his appointment more expensive for Tottenham, his comments after the extension was agreed suggested he is not going anywhere this summer.”

So it seems we’ve not held any talks with him and Ajax simply decided to extend his contract when rumours started to intensify? I still have hope he’ll be given the job but the odds are small.
 
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