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Totti said:
You posted our defensive record as a way of praising our full backs. I told you that a) our defensive record is the worst its been in 3 years and b) defence is based on team not 4 players.

I wasn't the one blaming the full backs for our defensive record. But you were the one praising them for it.

Dembele and Dier can be improved on. There is a reason they're at Spurs and not at a club competition for all trophies. Dembele is likely to be replaced in the summer and we performed alot better last season with a fully fit Wanyama playing ahead of Dier. We already have Wanyama so that's not a priority.

Full backs will change next year. That's a given. The ones we have aren't good enough and Pochettino absolutely knows it. However, as I've said across two different threads NUMEROUS times. Central midfield is priority.
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Well its speculation on the full backs being changed, as you know we dont go all out in the market for players and as you also point out the full backs are not priority.

That is the main point Ive been against in this thread. Striker, AM, CM, CB all way more important....and I dont necessarily mean signings, other than striker and CB.

I want our players to fucking man up. I have faith in this squad, and we dont need a new marquee CM in my opinion, we need Wanyama to be the player he was last year, we need Dier to regain consistency, we need Winks fit and in form.

Fuck Toby off and put our efforts in Sanchez and Foyth, and get one in, who is hungry to play for this club.

We also struggle horrendously when Eriksen has a bad game. We need an option.
Can Moura be that? Can Lamela change his role?

This is a great squad, thats lost it way for a very short period of time (3 games) and people want wholesale changes from top to bottom.....

Yet no one thinks upgrading Llorente is important. THATS the weakest area in the entire squad, not four competent full backs (and Im fully aware Aurier needs serious coaching)
 
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Llorente is heading back to Athletic club next season if the rumours are to be believed. It makes sense, although he left under ' difficult' circumstances he is obviously surplus at spurs and athletic need to replace aduriz who is either injured or just too old.

So unless we go back to vinny we will be bringing in a striker this summer.

Can't fault trippier for his efforts but we sold the best RB in the premier league to a rival last summer. Aurier has severely underwhelmed me this season but who knows with a pre season under him?

Honestly, we don't need wholesale changes, but if rose can not recover his fitness then a lb should also be required.
In - two full backs, a creative centre midfielder and a striker.
 
Our main priority is back up for Eriksen who should also be capable of playing with him in Midfield. We rely too much on Eriksen to create chances and the better teams know to stop Eriksen is to stop Spurs.
 
in another thread, a poster suggested that we could have "as good of an attack as liverpool" if we got new fullbacks. my question: do you really think pool have better fullbacks than us? most of the ones they have are kids...
 
bk_spur said:
in another thread, a poster suggested that we could have "as good of an attack as liverpool" if we got new fullbacks. my question: do you really think pool have better fullbacks than us? most of the ones they have are kids...
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It’s beyond delusion....the same people would be calling Arnold and Robertson the weak links and demanding better.

A couple of kids at the back is key? Nothing to do with Salah, Mane and Firminho then, or the fact Liverpool go forward EVERY time they can
 
Joe Clash said:
The problem with that is in recent games any first time ball into the box would have found the box sans Kane. You can’t cross to someone who isn’t there.
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Was that a typo?
‘sans Kane’

If not I don’t understand


A few posters have been saying that Kane’s ankle hasn’t fully recovered restricting his movement but surely Poch wouldn’t have risked him?

Anyway my point about the full backs not getting the ball into the box enough stands

Expanding the thread though, all too often we don’t cross the ball properly even from corners and free kicks, not getting the ball past the first defender so whoever the striker is in the box, either a fully fit Kane, Son or Llorente it wouldn’t matter

I still think we’ll make top four but we have problems
 
Bazali said:
Was that a typo?
‘sans Kane’

If not I don’t understand


A few posters have been saying that Kane’s ankle hasn’t fully recovered restricting his movement but surely Poch wouldn’t have risked him?

Anyway my point about the full backs not getting the ball into the box enough stands

Expanding the thread though, all too often we don’t cross the ball properly even from corners and free kicks, not getting the ball past the first defender so whoever the striker is in the box, either a fully fit Kane, Son or Llorente it wouldn’t matter

I still think we’ll make top four but we have problems
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‘Sans’ without.
 
B-0-Sspurs said:
Llorente is heading back to Athletic club next season if the rumours are to be believed. It makes sense, although he left under ' difficult' circumstances he is obviously surplus at spurs and athletic need to replace aduriz who is either injured or just too old.

So unless we go back to vinny we will be bringing in a striker this summer.

Can't fault trippier for his efforts but we sold the best RB in the premier league to a rival last summer. Aurier has severely underwhelmed me this season but who knows with a pre season under him?

Honestly, we don't need wholesale changes, but if rose can not recover his fitness then a lb should also be required.
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I’m not sure we will bring another striker in tbh. That would be 3 attempts in 3 years. I don’t think having a like for like back up for Kane is ever going to work out as he will always be first choice when fit. I imagine another Son-like midfielder who can also play as a striker would be a better option. Unless they think we can develop that role in Lucas.
 
We need a new left-back and to give KWP an opportunity to become our first choice right-back.

Our defence has been worse this season including Hugo. It's still decent but the past couple of years we have looked very strong in this area.
 
sammyspurs said:
Priority number one is proper back up for Kane.

If anyone cant see that after the last three games, I cant help you. We do better when Kane is injured, than when hes in the side in this form.

The full backs are easy targets, I find it a little bit naive to keep blaming them. Lloris has caused more goals than Trippier and Davies. Aurier needs to grow up I fully agree, but we´d be no better off with Walker this season than we´ve been with Tripper.

Why? Because our biggest problems in games have been a failure to create in the final third and/or wasting chances to kill games. Thats on the AMs and strikers.

We´ve shipped less goals than Chelsea and Liverpool and only 6 less than City.

People accusing the full backs of not getting forward should also consider the fact we have been playing a back 4 since November, not a back 3, where they become wing backs.
They are more defence orientated this season and by and large doing a really good job.

Open your eyes

I find it insane that in January it was all "tricky winger" talk, Malcom, Zaha, Moura etc

We sign Moura, dont use him, the same problems remain, but instead of people saying "play Moura!!", they now want Trippier and Davies sold.
Why wasnt the full backs priority in January?
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Too easy to tap agree so I just say post squared.

Exactly right.
 
MDG said:
We need a new left-back and to give KWP an opportunity to become our first choice right-back.

Our defence has been worse this season including Hugo. It's still decent but the past couple of years we have looked very strong in this area.
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We are still strong in that area though. Four games to go and we've only conceded 5 more goals than last season, despite all the changes.

And this is my point, people are saying the full backs are priority number one, and comparing the goals against column, yet glossing over the goals for column.

A quick look at that shows with 4 games to go we have scored 20 less goals than last season, with no changes to staff, and an extra AM on the field for half the season. People Im sure will again blame the full backs, but I will simply say, again, that they have not been playing as attacking wing backs.

People are blaming Davies and Trippier for our "poor" defence and for us not scoring enough. Thats ridiculous.
 
sammyspurs said:
We are still strong in that area though. Four games to go and we've only conceded 5 more goals than last season, despite all the changes.

And this is my point, people are saying the full backs are priority number one, and comparing the goals against column, yet glossing over the goals for column.

A quick look at that shows with 4 games to go we have scored 20 less goals than last season, with no changes to staff, and an extra AM on the field for half the season. People Im sure will again blame the full backs, but I will simply say, again, that they have not been playing as attacking wing backs.

People are blaming Davies and Trippier for our "poor" defence and for us not scoring enough. Thats ridiculous.
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Hmm, perhaps but I have been to many games this season and can't remember Trippier beating a man. Always gets to a certain point, stop, turns back or to the side and slows the okay down.

Also, when he gets caught out high up the pitchhe doesn't have the pace to get back, same with Davies.

We need better options at full-backs as well as better back-up for Harry. Oh and a dominant CM as well.

I think Trippier and Davies are both decent but that's it. Rose (fit and motivated) and Walker are better, both offensively and defensively. I don't understand how this seems to have escaped you!
 
MDG said:
Hmm, perhaps but I have been to many games this season and can't remember Trippier beating a man. Always gets to a certain point, stop, turns back or to the side and slows the okay down.

Also, when he gets caught out high up the pitchhe doesn't have the pace to get back, same with Davies.

We need better options at full-backs as well as better back-up for Harry. Oh and a dominant CM as well.

I think Trippier and Davies are both decent but that's it. Rose (fit and motivated) and Walker are better, both offensively and defensively. I don't understand how this seems to have escaped you!
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*play
 
sammyspurs said:
I mean are people literally saying that if we signed Walker back, and started playing Rose we’d be challenging for then PL or CL next season?

Llorente can’t be bettered, and cover for Eriksen is unimportant.
Mentalists everywhere
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Beyond me really.

We are not behind the top 6, City apart although more prone to vultures.

We need to lose a couple of players who do not give ad valorem and then do our damndest to get the quality in the right areas to improve our level or ability to provide proper cover.

That might mean a revolving door of 5 players in total.

But we are not in need of radical surgery.

Then it's for Pochettino to get us to that place.
 
MDG said:
Rose (fit and motivated) and Walker are better, both offensively and defensively. I don't understand how this seems to have escaped you!
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Its escaped me because Rose is now fat and shite, and Walker plays for City.

We've also lost just 3 games in all competitions out of the 27 played since mid December.

This season we have taken 4pts of the best Liverpool team in over ten years, beaten Chelsea away, beaten Utd, beaten Woolwich, taken 4pts of Real, taken 6pts off Dortmund, topped our CL group unbeaten, drawn 2-2 away to Juve, out played them at "home" and lost due to errors in the middle of the pitch, are 11pts above Woolwich, 5pts above Chelsea, just 3pts behind said Liverpool team with a game in hand and all this playing every single game without a home ground.

So please, explain how all that is possible with "not good enough" full backs.....not one but THREE defenders not being good enough.
And then explain where you think we would be had Walker stayed and Rose had kept his fat mouth shut?

Top? 2nd? 3rd? In the CL semis?

This is like the Poch thread, but for Trippier and Davies to be honest, stupid.
 
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