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I should imagine we couldn’t agree on the fee to include the option to buy and it was more important to secure the loan before the deadline or we got gazumped.

Hopefully he proves to be a successful addition and then we can subsequently negotiate to make him permanent next summer as I don’t think Richy or Dom can be relied upon long term.
 
LuckyMe said:
Sooooo, who really knows football rules/laws?

If the deadline passed, and we signed him without an option to buy (and have registered him), are we allowed to re-negotiate the terms of the deal? Ie, if it wasn't the above-PSG-rates-him-reason, and there just wasn't enough time to agree on the fee for a buy option/obligation, can we negotiate now and then insert one into the contract post-deadline?
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I ran the question through an AI.

''No, you generally cannot add an "option to buy" clause to a straight loan in football after the transfer window has closed, as the loan agreement, including any buy options or obligations, must be finalized and registered within the official transfer windows. Once a transfer window closes, the ability to make new loan signings or add clauses like options to buy is restricted to specific exceptions, such as free agent signings//''
 
McCOYS said:
I ran the question through an AI.

''No, you generally cannot add an "option to buy" clause to a straight loan in football after the transfer window has closed, as the loan agreement, including any buy options or obligations, must be finalized and registered within the official transfer windows. Once a transfer window closes, the ability to make new loan signings or add clauses like options to buy is restricted to specific exceptions, such as free agent signings//''
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I do not think AI is correct,

The purpose of the transfer window is to define the time period in which players can be registered.

It is common for player contracts to be renegotiated (eg for pay) outside a transfer window and it seems to me that any clause including an option clause can be negotiated outside a transfer window, and added to the contract providing the original player contract itself is not 'torn up' which would mean the player became unregistered.

AI has its uses but is often not correct because whoever has programmed it has not thought through all the possibilities around a subject, and thus AI spews out wrong info.
 
Spursidol said:
I do not think AI is correct,

The purpose of the transfer window is to define the time period in which players can be registered.

It is common for player contracts to be renegotiated (eg for pay) outside a transfer window and it seems to me that any clause including an option clause can be negotiated outside a transfer window, and added to the contract providing the original player contract itself is not 'torn up' which would mean the player became unregistered.

AI has its uses but is often not correct because whoever has programmed it has not thought through all the possibilities around a subject, and thus AI spews out wrong info.
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I would tend to agree with you. On the contract first of all. But I didn't know, so thought I would throw it out there.

Also on AI btw. I mean, it's trained partially on Reddit, and with grey areas like these - moreover a grey area which does not come up very often - AI takes whatever most people THINK but proclaim confidently as gospel and truth (is my gut feeling anywho).
 
daveyboy88 said:
i think hes the new LW, not the striker.
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I'm really interested to see how Frank picks his first line up. He's got loads of options now and theoretically he could play Simons left, or Muani, or Richarlison, or Johnson, Odobert or Tel.

So it will interesting to see how Frank sees them all.

Personally I hope Muani is played centrally but if Richarlison and Solanke are fit, he might put Muani out left. Simons should definitely be central at number 10.
 
Spursidol said:
I think the great thing is that Richarlison, Kudus and Kolo Muani can all play in more than one position (including LW) and could see Frank changing them around which is going to confuse the hell out of the opposition
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I've never thought Richie is much use on the LW tbh. He did put in that nice outside of the boot cross to Kane against Forest a couple of years back, and then (quite rightly) did some nice showboating. But generally he's far better through the middle, not least because he is such a good headerer of the ball
 
CJJ said:
Bayern are suffering from the same issue we had.

Have to play Kane every game or he (I assume) goes in a mood. Can't sign equivalent quality backup who is happy to never play unless Kane is injured. Can't find any other player in world football who plays like him so tactically equivalent. No modern place really for 2 up front.

They end up kind of budgeting for younger but not too expensive talent, and even then you get the likes of Tel wanting to leave because the pathway is blocked
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Good point. Guess that is why they felt Woltemade was a good back up, but also why they didn't want to overpay for someone who will rarely play unless Kane is injured.
 
Aphex said:
I'm really interested to see how Frank picks his first line up. He's got loads of options now and theoretically he could play Simons left, or Muani, or Richarlison, or Johnson, Odobert or Tel.

So it will interesting to see how Frank sees them all.

Personally I hope Muani is played centrally but if Richarlison and Solanke are fit, he might put Muani out left. Simons should definitely be central at number 10.
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My guess is he doesnt actually change much.

Maybe Simons in to help creativity and thats it.

With the Intl break, none of the new players will have any real time with the club to train before the game - so I dont see wholesale changes, I think Frank is more pragmatic than that
 
Aphex said:
I'm really interested to see how Frank picks his first line up. He's got loads of options now and theoretically he could play Simons left, or Muani, or Richarlison, or Johnson, Odobert or Tel.

So it will interesting to see how Frank sees them all.

Personally I hope Muani is played centrally but if Richarlison and Solanke are fit, he might put Muani out left. Simons should definitely be central at number 10.
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all depends on who we are playing doesnt it. good headaches for frank to have, he has options thats for sure.

bournemouth should've been a case of getting big guys in the box and get the ball in there, we was never playing through them with what we had available.

in them games id have kudus on the left and get him to just go round the outside and get the ball in and cutbacks etc. its about getting wins, dont have to be pretty.
 
Aphex said:
Good point. Guess that is why they felt Woltemade was a good back up, but also why they didn't want to overpay for someone who will rarely play unless Kane is injured.
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Yeah that seems to be the way clubs do things, where our fans can miss the point some times. Bit like what Grealish was like back in 2019. Championship player, a bit iffy on his discipline, yet to really prove he would make it. £15m or so is worth the gamble. £30m you're expecting less risk (at that time).

I'm not at all convince Woltemade is any more than an Andy Carroll level player, so make sense why Bayern would seem him in the 'good for a backup' valuation band, but not 'elite prospect' band considering who they usually spend £50m or less on
 
McCOYS said:
I ran the question through an AI.

''No, you generally cannot add an "option to buy" clause to a straight loan in football after the transfer window has closed, as the loan agreement, including any buy options or obligations, must be finalized and registered within the official transfer windows. Once a transfer window closes, the ability to make new loan signings or add clauses like options to buy is restricted to specific exceptions, such as free agent signings//''
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You can just agree a new deal with the club to start in the future, can't you? And just register it when the window opens.
You're right (or at least AI is to a certain extent) but there work arounds. As far as I am understand it clubs can agree anything they want outside the window and create binding agreements, even send funds. The player just can't be registered.

Edit: I have asked chat gpt FCA legal questions for my own work and 80% of the time, it gets something slightly wrong. So much so, that I will never trust it get references.
 
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Spursidol said:
I do not think AI is correct,

The purpose of the transfer window is to define the time period in which players can be registered.

It is common for player contracts to be renegotiated (eg for pay) outside a transfer window and it seems to me that any clause including an option clause can be negotiated outside a transfer window, and added to the contract providing the original player contract itself is not 'torn up' which would mean the player became unregistered.

AI has its uses but is often not correct because whoever has programmed it has not thought through all the possibilities around a subject, and thus AI spews out wrong info.
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The main problem with AI is that it is dependent on the quality, depth, and scope of the prompts. Even when the initial prompts are excellent, AI's answers need to be further interrogated and fine tuned. It is an excellent resource, but, as always with computers, it's a case of rubbish in, rubbish out.
 
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