Pains me to say it but I would give credit to the Hams and Leeds for showing some pride and fight to dig out the results when the pressure was on ,we have shown none of that and deserve to go down ,while I hope we somehow stay up ,the players have shown no character and have shamed the club
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Management Relegation
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Funny dat innit???
It's like the old saying goes - Paper or megabytes don't play football
You've just described the gambler's fallacy.
Maybe so, but if you look back through the PL era it's pretty fucking rare for a side to not win a single game over that kind of duration, even the worst of the worst get a win eventually, no matter how much it defied logic.
Fuck, Leeds winning at Man Utd for the first time in 60 odd years (League games) defied logic.
If we do do that then we've shat the bed in such an epic manner the likes of it will never be seen again, the ultimate Spursy I suppose.
Well, anything can happen.
Problem is, a win or two probably won't be enough to stay up now. We most likely need two wins and a few draws, or 3 wins. Now every club we play will be busting a gut to send us down. And this might be the most demoralised squad in recent league history outside of that Derby team that gave up, so it's no longer a question of tactics and quality.
De zerbi will be performing a miracle if he keeps us up. Can only hope.
Had another go at the predictor and surprisingly had us still surviving, just about on goal difference
That's after getting soundly beaten by Brighton, Chelsea , villa, and a dismal draw away to bottom of the table wolves.
2 low score victories against Leeds and final day Everton
2 Wins and a draw is widely optimistic, but forest do have a tough run in
That's after getting soundly beaten by Brighton, Chelsea , villa, and a dismal draw away to bottom of the table wolves.
2 low score victories against Leeds and final day Everton
2 Wins and a draw is widely optimistic, but forest do have a tough run in
Can you send those results to the EPL ; they can scratch the actual games and do their bit to prevent player-burnout in a World Cup year.
It would be a win-win for everybody.
No, but it gives a starting point to build up some momentum, all it took was a win out of nowhere to bring the Spammers back to life and go on a run.
Saturday is huge, I think if we get a win, however it comes about, we'll stay up.
For all their faults I just think West Ham have a more functional squad than us, fewer injuries, better team spirit/momentum and brought in 3 players in Jan that are actually making a difference.
When Nuno took them over he took like 3 months to turn things around - we don't have that time. I think at this point any win is far more likely to be a one-off than spark a whole turnaround. De Zerbi is saying the right things and trying to get the players to believe, but I think our issues run far deeper than just confidence.
We don't have a Bowen, or even a Summerville (on current form) in our front line. Fernandes in their midfield can actually pass a football.
And the thing is...they're still not even that good. It's that we're so, so bad even a below-average West Ham team looks solid and spirited in comparison.
There are no indications that we can play our way out of it, even fight our way out of it, considering injuries and our upcoming opponents. Leeds' victory in Manchester sealed our fate IMO. But I would like to be wrong and you are welcome to mock me for my prediction, because then I will be happy, cos then Totteham stay up in the Premier League. I don't care about the style of play now, we just have to collect as many points as possible. Can Tottenham really get 12 points from the remaining games? I doubt. I'm really sad.
You might be right.
Then they must appoint the right people above De Zerbi, who can fill in any gaps.
But as long as the desire is there, then we should buy ourselves up. If the equation often used is that the better qualty goes to money, then we have no excuses. The rest is down to De Zerbi.
The revenue drop isn't that great in the first year and we should be able to attract t the very best, and those best are the players who you hope are alerted to us by the people who are brought in to identity the most suited targets.
Simply spend our way up.
Sunday was possibly the easiest opposition we’ve had lately and we still couldn’t score.
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Difference is, forest still pick up results we don't.
Cannot see the club surviving this, been coming since last season the dropping like a stone.
Yeah if we're half-way competent we should be able to bounce straight back given our resources. Obviously it's not that simple and money isn't everything, but just look at Burnley a few seasons back.
Went down, sold Cornet, Collins, McNeil, Pope, released Mee, Tarkowsky, Lennon, Bardsley, Pieters and loaned Weghorst and Lowton - raising about £70m. That's a huge chunk of their squad gone.
They then bought about £25m worth of players (around £2-4m each) and loaned some talented players from around Europe.
With like a 70% new team and the right manager they completely smashed the Championship and came straight back up. And the main reason they struggled back in the PL is they couldn't afford to sign the talented loanees which wouldn't be an issue for us.
We would start with a stronger squad base to build from, have significantly more to spend and be far more attractive to potential players. There's really no excuse for us not to be extremely competitive in the Championship imo - we're not totally skint and/or fucked by PSR like Leicester, Villa, Leeds and these other teams that massively struggled.
We are run by gimps, though...
For me, the real issue started two summers ago, Ange's first summer. We finished 5th but the wheels were already coming off big time under Ange. Not only did we keep him, which allowed the rot to set in, but the club didn't back him either.
We signed Odobert, Gray and Solanke. Literally, our whole summer recruitment was signing two kids and a second rate striker.
It was incompetence and negligence.
We signed Odobert, Gray and Solanke. Literally, our whole summer recruitment was signing two kids and a second rate striker.
It was incompetence and negligence.
This is key, people are looking at the clubs that dropped like a stone and ignoring that there were other factors at play that lead to that.
If I'm being totally honest, I haven't enjoyed watching us in the Prem for a long time anyway. I really don't mind seeing if the Championship is any more fun.
Ultimately if we go down, the world continues to turn, football still exists, and more importantly Spurs still exist, I'll be following my club same as I always have, just in a different (easier!) division. So I'm totally at ease with the prospect of relegation.
It does help that I have no real fondness for any of our squad now, so I'm also not going to lose any sleep over who will leave/stay.
100% all that.
So get rid of the gimps, and as you say we would be far stronger in terms of a base, able to attract a high standard of player etc...
Then it's all about motivation and proper messaging.
And as someone wrote yesterday, throw in significant win bonuses and promotion incentives. Whatever it takes to bounce back in one.
While I agree with mostly everything you said, I think WH are actually quite good now. If we go back to the start of January, which is when they turned it around, they are 7th in the table. If they had employed Nuno before Potter, they would be fighting for a European place this season. Crazy turnaround! Cunts.
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