Spurs Youth 2020/21

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Previous threads:
U-18/U-21/Loans/Development Squad (2011-2018)
Spurs Youth 2018/19
Spurs Youth 2019/20

This thread will follow the U23s, U18s and other Spurs youth teams in the various competitions and tournaments throughout the season – including the U18 Premier League, Premier League 2 (U23) and Youth Cup. If you have any information about any age group, including U16s and below that you feel is worthy of sharing then please post.


Information below courtesy of the legendary Spursidol Spursidol as of 11/09/2020.

Under-18s

Academy Year 2 (total - 14 players)
GK - Thimothée Lo-Tutala, Isak Solberg
CB - Marqes Muir
FB - Dermi Lusala, Jeremy Kyezu, Kallum Cesay,
CM - Michael Craig, Matthew Craig, Nile John, Yago Santiago Alonso,
AM - Romaine Mundle, Eddie Carrington, Max Robson
FW - Tarrelle Whittaker

Academy Year 1 (total 11 players)
GK - Aaron Maguire, Adam Hayton.
CB -
FB - Jordan Hackett-Valton (LB/CB).
CM - Alfie Devine, Jez Davies, Khalon Haysman, Dante Cassanova,
AM - Roshaun Mathurin, Renaldo Torraj, Oliver Turner (LW/LWB).
FW - Dane Scarlett.

Development Squad

Currently Spurs’ under 23 squad for the 2020/21 season is circa 30 players but some may be loaned out (loans to EFL sides can be made until mid October) or play with the first team squad :

GK: Alfie Whiteman (loan?) , Brandon Austin (loan?), Jonathan De Bie, Josh Oluwayemi, Kacper Kurylowicz (Braintree Town trial?)
FB: Dennis Cirkin (First team squad?) , Jubril Okedina (First Team squad?), Keenan Ferguson.
CB: Malachi Fagan-Walcott (could be First Team squad?) , Brooklyn Lyons-Foster.
CM: George Marsh (loan?), Jamie Bowden (First team squad?) , Elliot Thorpe, Rafferty Pedder, Harvey White (First Team squad?), Aaron Skinnner
AM: Anthony Georgiou (loan?), Jack Roles (loan/First Team squad?) Shilow Tracey (loan?), Dilan Markanday, J’Neil Bennett, Jeremie Mukendi, Maurizio Pochettino, Chay Cooper.
FW: Kazaiah Sterling (loan?), Rodel Richards, Kion Etete, Enock Asante.

Already on Loan :
TJ Eyoma (season long loan at Lincoln City),
Troy Parrott (season long loan at Millwall),
Oliver Skipp (season long loan at Norwich City, previously with First Team).

And then there are Academy players who may well play up with Under-21s such as Dermi Lusala (RB/CB) and Nile John (CM/AM) plus maybe the duo who played in pre-season with the first team squad (Dane Scarlett, FW and Alfie Devine, CM).
 
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Totti

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Not sure about this logic personally I was a decent road cyclist back in my early teens and certainly a level above anybody in my age group at my club , competing in my own age group was a waste of time and was always beneficial to compete at a higher level even when getting hammered regularly.

But they weren't and aren't competing at a higher level.

There's a difference between taking you out of your age group, putting you amongst a higher level and playing at that level consistently for a year and taking you out of that age group to do some training on a weekly basis with older and more experienced players but not actually playing competitively.

My point being - Pochettino stopped Skipp, Parrott, KWP, Onomah etc. at some point from playing football weekly and refused to send them out on loan because he thought their development was best treated training with the first team.

Mourinho on the other hand clearly believes his best youth talents should either be loaned out (Skipp, Parrott) to play football or at least playing some kind of football to continue their development instead of just training with the first team (Cirkin, White, Clarke).

I prefer Mourinhos line of thinking.

18 year olds can absolutely benefit from playing U23s football.
 
You do realise there are 54 players currently aged 15 and over in the academy, do you seriously expect all of them to join the first eleven.

Spurs have developed one player in six years? There are currently 31 ex Spurs academy players who have come through since 2010 playing professional football - you clearly don't follow our youth players very closely.

as for making it as Spurs - Rose, (never started for Leeds) Kane, Winks, CCV, Georgiou, Sterling, Skipp, Marsh, Eyoma, Tanganga, Parrot, Whiteman, Austin, Cirkin, White all still on our books .... pretty sure more than one of those have played for us ......

It wuld not be unreasonable to expect say 2 new academy players a year to start to play in Spurs first team (including pre-season) and at least one to join first team squad to play first team football on a more regular basis. Reason being that each year Spurs have 2 - 4 really good youngsters in each year group.

And over a 6 year period I would have expected to find maybe 4 or 5 players to have joined the first team - in stead of buying jorneymen footballers for Spurs first team squad.

Rose had started to play at Spurs pre-Poch, CCV has never played a PL match nor has Georgiou, Marsh, Eyoma - Sterling played a couple of minutes, - Whiteman and Austin have not played for Spurs first team. Some of them because they are not good enough, others have been good enough (as judged by England youth coaches etc)

The whole issue of the Poch era is (and I repeat) only ONE player, Winks, had significant time and is currently part of the first team squad.

There are probably a dozen or more who had a few minutes in one or two games - and that was it. Clearly Poch never had any intention of bringing the players through.

Skipp played as Spurs were short of players - but last season hardly got a look in under Poch nor did he get a chance to go on loan to play the minutes every 19 year needs - same with Parrott.

Despite his reputation, Mourhino has probably done more for Spurs academy players in the year at Spurs than Poch did in his 6 years,

The issue which you fail to comprehend is Poch allowed youngsters to train with the first team squad and where he decided they were not ready for first team minutes, did NOT allow them the opportunity to go on loan to get the experience he clearly thought the need to play at Spurs.

And that has the consequence that now Spurs enter the current season with 2 Club trained players in their squad - Kane and Winks plus the bought back Bale, with Rose likely to leave - meaning Spurs cannot get to have a 25 man squad for UEFA, unless one of the 21 year old inexperienced GK's (no loans under Poch) is 3rd GK.
Also puts pressure on Spurs to buy HG players from other clubs to get our squad numbers up (Dele, Doherty, Hart, Sessegnon currently)

Had Spurs been seen to be bringing the academy players through better we would have a better squad (saving money on squad players to buy on better layers) - and not had the ridiculous situation where Fulham fans think that Onomah (given away last summer after being played as a RM by Poch for token minutes in many matches and never as CM where he plaed in Spurs youth and Fulham) is largely responsible for getting them back in PL or players like Spurs u16 captain Mandueke refusing Spurs Academy scholarship offer as he thinks there is no route to the Spurs first team (and now a first team player at PSV scoring goals and making assists having taken Bergwijn's place - at age 18) or Binks leaving to go to Montreal and now Italy for the same reason.

I thank Poch for the coaching he did for the first team and getting us to CL final (and Cl in 4 successive seasons) but not for his utterly incompetent handling of most of the academy players during his tenure or his over training/playing many first team players which may well have caused many of them to burn out too early.
 

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Our former youth goalie Oscar Jansson (2007-2012 in our youth ranks and out on loan). Is nominated for goalkeeper of the season in the Swedish top flight. Having had a career high season between the sticks for Örebro.

Not so much a youth anymore at 29 but I found no better thread for this.
 

Totti

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Really happy for Tsaroulla.

Was highly rated before his car crash. Nice to see him score and help Crawley through to the next round of the FA Cup.
 

another estonian CB on trial at Spurs, the name is Erko Jonne Tõugjas and he is 17 year old. Has represented Estonia U-17 11 times so far. Can't say I know anything about him, except that he plays for 2nd tier club owned by former fartsenal GK Poom. They seem to have a good academy, just last week one 16 year old signed for Inter
 
They have always taken it seriously but if a young player wants to leave what can the club do. This lad is doing well at PSV but other highly rated departures like Reo Griffiths who left to Lyon hasn't done much and I see Keenan Bennetts is on loan at Ipswich after struggling in Germany

Provide a pathway

One player through to the first team in 6 years = unacceptable failure

If we persist with what we have done in last 6 years we would have no club trained players = problem to get a full squad in european tournaments.

If we produce a decent set of club treained players we dont need to buy squad players and we do not need to buy other HG players.

Simple really
 
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