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I have no problems with Llorente staying if he is used as a plan B striker and not a backup. He does not have the tools to do it. However, if we get an actual MF and some FBs perhaps we will have some more assured possession in order to allow Llorente to get into certain positions.
Did you see we were linked to Cornet today?
 
Had we not put in Llorente, we wouldn't be in the CL final. That's a fact.
Is not a fact and you can't prove that. 'Tis merely conjecture and that IS a fact. Just because something happened doesn't mean that that is the only way it could have happened. That's end justifying the means mentality.

Not digging you out just don't like bad logic because it gets picked up and becomes hard to disabuse folks of.

But if you prefer style over results, no problem.

Who says there has to be a choice? It's a false choice, no?
 
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Personally, I ended my interest way below the 70m we were allegedly quoted last summer.

If he hadn't signed that extension he would have had the pick of the big clubs at a fair price, and then a year later he comes out telling Palace he really ought to be playing in the CL! No one will give Palace 100 million, talk about shoot yourself in the foot. :pochfacepalm:
 
Did you see we were linked to Cornet today?
If it's real then I will say it's a Levy special because he is out of contract this summer I believe. I would say no to anyone from Lyon other than Ndombele, Mendy, Aouar, Terrier, Dubois, Diop (possibly), Lopes (too small)...oooh, and the guy we opted against and we are now 3 years later trying to fill the spot, Moussa Dembele.
 
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Is not a fact and you can't prove that. 'Tis merely conjecture and that IS a fact. Just because something happened doesn't mean that that is the only way it could have happened. That's end justifying the means mentality.

Not digging you out just don't like bad logic because it gets picked up and becomes hard to disabuse folks of.



Who says there has to be a choice? It's a false dichotomy, no?
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Is not a fact and you can't prove that. 'Tis merely conjecture and that IS a fact. Just because something happened doesn't mean that that is the only way it could have happened. That's end justifying the means mentality.

Not digging you out just don't like bad logic because it gets picked up and becomes hard to disabuse folks of.



Who says there has to be a choice? It's a false dichotomy, no?
You're right, of course, that it is conjecture. My "fact" comment is more of a cliche, and not to be taken literally.

That said, it is a fact that he was a difference maker. And, that's not conjecture, because I'm not saying nobody else "could" have made a difference, only that he did.

For your next "trick" (joke) I'd like to see you explain why a player Poch signed, and played, has no business being on a team coached by Poch; as stated by Five Five (paraphrasing, but that's an accurate assessment of his comment).

In that game, we had a choice. Continue to play the same way, and struggle to produce goals. Or start sending the ball long from deep. The latter worked, and it was a choice we had, and clearly the tactics changed. So, no, i don't think it's a false dichotomy specific to this one game. Five Five apparently would rather we not bring back Llorente and play that style when necessary, even if it means we don't make it to the Champions League final because we are unwilling to adapt.
 
Actually, I believe Rondon is more than that not that Poch would ever allow true competition against Harry. Harry does not give us the ability to run off the shoulder hence we play in front of all the teams unless it's Sonny or Moura leading the line. Rondon can run most any CB in the prem except for maybe VVD. Just remember back to when he outpaced Sanchez at Wembley amongst other runs.

I have no problems with Llorente staying if he is used as a plan B striker and not a backup. He does not have the tools to do it. However, if we get an actual MF and some FBs perhaps we will have some more assured possession in order to allow Llorente to get into certain positions.



Others have answered this for you but didn't want to ignore. I have not focused too much on Gomez in the Celta games I have viewed so I wouldn't want to give an opinion. But my pick would be Rondon but not because I think he is underrated and deserves love or because I chair his "Rondon for the Ballon d'Or" committee (which I do) but because he has known qualities suited for the PL and in general he is a known quantity that would accept a backup role and still work hard. A 22 year old may not and would cost a bundle to find out whereas Rondon would be 16M at most and seems more athletic than Gomes who looks similar to Harry in that area.

You enjoyed that like fuck innit, fam. :levywhoa:
 
Five Five @Five apparently would rather we not bring back Llorente and play that style when necessary, even if it means we don't make it to the Champions League final because we are unwilling to adapt.
What I am saying is that I don't want to give him a new contract.
 
If I was a mine owner and I’d worn out my pit pony, da do Rondondon would definitely be right up there on my shopping list from the Pullis surplus store.
but Dzeko wouldn't be? He barely moves now and part of the reason he was let go from City was because of it and his poor holdup play. But NOW after 5 or whatever years in the glue factory that is Serie A you want him leading the line? I cast the malocchio your way my 'friend'.:avbfu:

I’ve always liked Dzeko though, liked him in Germany (who didn’t) said we should have taken him from ManC when he became surplus there, he’s a classy finisher for a big un, with a good brain, and at 33 would probably be content to be a bench/squad option.
Yeah, 'cause he might break a hip getting off it FFS. I liked him too...5 years ago when he said we were beneath him. Now he can eat Rondon's dust.

Seriously, didn’t say would prefer Dzeko to Rondon, just responded to someone suggesting Dzeko as the Llorente upgrade (which I think he would be - if that’s what we are looking for).
I can see your point but Dzeko is having 'issues' in Roma whereas Nando seems a happy bunny that should be transitioned to the Fellaini role...and you know how I love me some route 1, Wooooooo!

I would rather we just spent the money on Fekir or Pepe and then we’d have great AM’s who could also play CF/false 9. And I still think Alli could do okay as a 9/False 9.
Fekir = Nope! And I hope our recruitment this summer allows Dele to take up his rightful place on the true bench instead of another position where he is ill-suited.

And you didn't have to come stand in for 'formerly respected poster'. That rotten bastard should have had the guts to come and defend his beliefs himself. Soft bellend.:pochlol:
 
For your next "trick" (joke) I'd like to see you explain why a player Poch signed, and played, has no business being on a team coached by Poch; as stated by Five Five @Five (paraphrasing, but that's an accurate assessment of his comment).
Listen, I would love nothing more than to take the piss outta Five Five because he's a total knobhead but he does have a point. And I'm a little cross with you for making me defend that bellend.:pochlol: But he does have a point. Janssen was signed and doesn't fit. As were N'jie, GKN, and a few others. Clearly he meant that Nando is not dynamic enough and I believe his mobility has fallen below most folks' expectations. Except bus-conductor bus-conductor who wants to go back to that Serie A well.

In that game, we had a choice. Continue to play the same way, and struggle to produce goals. Or start sending the ball long from deep. The latter worked, and it was a choice we had, and clearly the tactics changed. So, no, i don't think it's a false dichotomy specific to this one game.
Uhhh, it is exactly a false dichotomy. There are many other ways we could have changed our play without putting Llorente on. We could have had Hugo do headstands it goal, Sonny and Lucas play as a 3-legged striker, or any other change. but you have whittled all these potential tactical changes down to 2 options ie a false dichotomy.

Five Five @Five apparently would rather we not bring back Llorente and play that style when necessary, even if it means we don't make it to the Champions League final because we are unwilling to adapt.
Straw man. I believe you are mischaracterizing Five Five 's position. And now you have made me defend that bellend again. :pochcry:
 
Big problem for CP is that United has a 25% clause from any future sale, so they need a huge fee to rebuild the team after selling him, and then they basically have to add 25% to that fee. It's a bad scenario.
Even worse than that...

If you look at it mathematically, they have to increase their price from the 'true' fee by a third to get what they want.

E.g. if they want £60m, they have to demand £80m (33% more) to compensate.

Christ.

Then again, they did get a payday from United and then got him back fairly cheap soon afterwards, so they didn't suffer too much.
 
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