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Transfers Summer 2020 Transfer Thread

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Wow. Where to start?

Firstly, lets do a comparison of the 3 clubs prior to the ENIC takeover.

Man City. 8 major domestic trophies, 1 major European trophy

Chelsea. . 5 major domestic trophies. 2 major European trophies

Tottenham Hotspur. 13 major domestic trophies. 3 major European trophies

I think its fair to compare pre ENIC, because it backs up my earlier point that the only possible reason you now believe them to be bigger is that there owners priorities winning trophies, whereas ours don't. Hence the alarming reversal in fortunes since 2000.

Also, as you pointed out, we were the first English club to lift a European trophy, and the first club to achieve the domestic double.

6 times since the war have have recorded the highest average league attendance. The other two clubs have never managed that once between them.

We hold the record for the highest home attendance ever recorded in English football history. And the second highest. And the third. And the fourth.......

Despite going 2 decades of winning next to fuck all, we still sell out a 60,000 seater stadium.
City and Chelsea have smaller stadiums, win loads of titles, but have to regularly give tickets away and in the case of Man City, regularly face the embarresment of thousands of empty seats.

We have spent more seasons in top flight football since the war than both these clubs you claim are bigger than our own.


Now. Remind us why you think they are bigger clubs than Tottenham Hotspur. Your own football club.
If it's purely based on the record since 2000, then surely that's a damning indictment of our owners, wouldn't you say?
It’s too selective using a date that suits. You have to look at the stats from day one.
The fact is that Man UTd have dominated the top place for many a year. What surprised me is that Chelsea have topped the chart for 10 seasons . Oh and one of those was post war!

 
So I guess technically, we are a development academy.
If thats how you see us, then I understand your anger when academy players fail to make the grade.
I see us as much more than that, which, I guess, is why my frustration is more focused on our regular failure to invest in the quality of player needed when we've been so close in the past.

So I guess we'll never agree.

:mourbye:
 
If the prices we charged for tickets reflected a mid sized club just trying to be self sufficient with the odd trophy every 10 years then I would say fair enough

In my opinion it does not reflect this and has not for some time

So I really struggle with the argument that we should be happy with what we have and should consider ourselves poor little old tottenham that can't compete with the evil money

That may be true but dont bleed your fans dry promising something that is never coming
 
It’s too selective using a date that suits. You have to look at the stats from day one.
The fact is that Man UTd have dominated the top place for many a year. What surprised me is that Chelsea have topped the chart for 10 seasons . Oh and one of those was post war!

One post war. Apologies for missing it.

My general point was though that whichever metric you use, prior to 2000, we would have to be considered the bigger club of the three.
20 subsequent years of City and Chelsea winning stuff while we won fuck all doesn't make them bigger, in my view. And if it does, it's come under the watch of our existing owners.
 
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If thats how you see us, then I understand your anger when academy players fail to make the grade.
I see us as much more than that, which, I guess, is why my frustration is more focused on our regular failure to invest in the quality of player needed when we've been so close in the past.

So I guess we'll never agree.

:mourbye:

I'm not angry they don't make the grade

I'm disappointed that their development is wasted.
 
Pierre-Emile Højbjerg

Expect to see lots of knocking it backwards

Ball watching; he does a lot of it

Waddling back from the opposition's half

1.Getting caught upfield, not getting back quickly enough
2.Loses Lacazette
3.Lets Lacazette run past him
4. Game intelligence. Winning 2-1. Caught way upfield. Doesn't get back quickly enough.

Defending, duels, etc

1. Doesn't press Guendouzi
2. Nutmegged by Bellerin
3. Fails to win 50/50 ball v Ozil
4. Poleaxed by Ozil

Free-kick magic

Use of the ball

1. Ruins a good counter-attacking opportunity
2. Goes back to his keeper from within the opposition's half
3. Doesn't want the ball; puts pressure on his backline
4. Backwards again; invites pressure on backline and GK

For those of you who are happy to let goals paper over the cracks

1. Wild
2. Wild
3. Overruns it when Southampton have a great chance to wrap up the 3 points
4. Tame
5. This one was headed for the corner flag
Good post. I´ve watched something like a dozen Southampton games, and I can honestly say that you´re right. However, we need to put those mistakes in the right context. Those mistakes are largely due to the fact that he plays... For Southampton. He plays as a box to box midfielder in a traditional 4-4-2. If he was playing as a pure defensive midfielder, he wouldn´t be left further up the pitch without the ball. If he was playing as the more defensive minded midfielder in a double pivot, he wouldn´t be left further up the pitch without the ball. Even more important: if he was playing in a team with more options to create (like Tottenham), he wouldn´t take as many risks, and wouldn´t be left further up the pitch without the ball.

I insist that his best position should be as a defensive midfielder. Positioning himself in front of the back four, making anticipations and interceptions. And of course, tackling and recovering as many possessions as possible (on that front, he has the best numbers in the Premier League).
 
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If the prices we charged for tickets reflected a mid sized club just trying to be self sufficient with the odd trophy every 10 years then I would say fair enough

In my opinion it does not reflect this and has not for some time

So I really struggle with the argument that we should be happy with what we have and should consider ourselves poor little old tottenham that can't compete with the evil money

That may be true but dont bleed your fans dry promising something that is never coming
This is it, if your going to charge premium prices you expect premium goods, that surely isn't too much to ask.
Instead we pay the most expensive prices in the league and probably Europe, only to have a financial spend akin to those teams mid table or just above.
 
People are clearly forgetting Chelsea sold Morata and Hazard and just had a transfer ban. Clearly had cash to spend that the rest of us don’t.

Champions elect Liverpool couldn’t even afford Werner at a bargain price. Woolwich like us looking st loans and frees.

If Liverpool don’t buy a first team player this summer then they won’t of bought one in two years. They’re asking for trouble, yet it’s where we are.

Klopp was even bemoaning the loss of corporate revenue in an article I read earlier. It’s going to hit a lot of teams hard. Some are going to need to sell off players. Those teams willing to put their balls on the line may well pick up some bargains
 
Despite Liverpool, Woolwich and Man Utd also saying there’s no money for transfers and they won’t be making major ones it’s enic’s fault we won’t be either, you know that by now surely!?!? 😂

People using Chelsea as a barometer will be using Man City next, they’re in the same group of sugar daddy owners.
Shall I send all the articles showing us as the Richest club in London and 8th richest in the world.
 
So sensitive MouraThat MouraThat - It's your first window with us, is it not?
:)
And as I've stated multiple times on this thread , we can do good business without spending ANY money or nothing over a couple of £m.
Money isn't an excuse in that if your smart you don't have to spend money..
Time for Levy's supposed negotation tactics to shine through this summer
 
There's a bit of a myth that we're this tiny little club that has no money to compete with other teams that's what ENIC'S done to you , wool being pulled right over your eyes

Would you like to back this up with concrete figures from the club's (public) accounts?

...Or are you part of the "Levy is a thief" brigade?
 
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And as I've stated multiple times on this thread , we can do good business without spending ANY money or nothing over a couple of £m.
Money isn't an excuse in that if your smart you don't have to spend money..
Time for Levy's supposed negotation tactics to shine through this summer

Sorry, I meant "us" as in TFC.....

This thread's not even at simmering point.... Wait until August if you think things are antsy now.
 
Shall I send all the articles showing us as the Richest club in London and 8th richest in the world.

Our owners don’t run the club the same way as their owners run there’s. No idea why it needs to be told to people every single day.

How do you think people are getting paid at the club and 18 other PL clubs while there’s no income? Is it magic beans or is it coming out of each of the team’s transfer budgets?
 
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