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Can someone with an accounting background ( Zomb ?) explain why it’s financially more advantageous to swap Tosin for Dier and, say, £5m than sell Tosin for £10m and buy Dier for £5m with regard to tax or FFP or other implications (providing the swap books a realistic price for Dier).
Or is this just about agent’s fees and sundries?
No idea - I’m not an accountant just understand corporate finance. FFP has zero impact on Spurs under Levy, not worth worrying about - we could spend hundreds of millions and it still wouldn’t be an issue
 
Possibly no-one; but I'm responding to this notion of "ambition"..... (Over)Paying a big whack for less than enticing options isn't really the kind of "ambition" I'd be keen to get behind; nor is signing a Tony for a 'now problem'.

So; no... Not arguing for the sake of it at all.
How do you define ambition? Shall we spend £20m on a striker playing in Belgium and hope for the best?
 
If what you're concerned about is the balance sheet. Not sure why we would be, as we are pretty healthy FFP wise. But it wouldn't help us from a cash flow perspective, which is what we'd be more concerned about.
No concern over FFP, or cash flow - our primary concern and rightly so from a finance POV is the balance sheet.
 
Can someone with an accounting background ( Zomb ?) explain why it’s financially more advantageous to swap Tosin for Dier and, say, £5m than sell Tosin for £10m and buy Dier for £5m with regard to tax or FFP or other implications (providing the swap books a realistic price for Dier).
Or is this just about agent’s fees and sundries?

Agents fees and sundries may differ; but I wouldn't expect money to be saved unless they're under the same agent. As for the fees themselves........ Purchases = amortised over length of contract whereas; Sales = total fee attributed to that FFP year in full. Depending on motivations; that could play a part as to what kind of deal is preferable.

A similar realm of question...... I was wondering earlier how/when add-on payments (income & outgoing), sell-on %s and various other after-the-fact payment clauses get factored into both FFP periods (period or receipt/payment presumably? ....As trf fee or misc. revenue incomes?) and how often fans consider these elements of income when they ponder (see: fight about) net spends, investment etc...... They sure as fuck don't get factored in when people (myself included) reference sites like TFM.
 
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Agreed....

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How do you define ambition? Shall we spend £20m on a striker playing in Belgium and hope for the best?

You brought the term into play; not me..... But for me, the starting point in attempting to be "ambitious" ought to mean reaching for a player of significantly higher quality, not paying inflated price-tags for 'make-do' options that don't categorically tick the boxes we need ticking.

If you think Vlahovic is a dead-cert that would significantly elevate this team and would be worth eg (70m+) then fair enough (I don't but that's subjectivity for you), but the other two come with their own flaws...... i.e. Neither are young. Watkins (first time I recall someone here saying they want him, FWIW) would require a massive over-payment to get him out of Villa and Toney can't even play til the season is half finished so doesn't even solve the so-called Richarlison problem.
 
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How do you know what role we've offered him?

Why do you think he's coming to sit on the bench?

Why do you think that players cannot be rotated or force their way into the team?
Here are the facts of the situation.

-Tosin has been available as a CB option all summer, rumours of a doable fee from Fulham due to his contract status, not a starter there.

-Tosin has agreed personal terms with Monaco who sold their starting CB Disasi earlier in the window. French press have said they view him as a starting CB

-Instead of buying Tosin for a nominal fee we spent £40m on Van de Ven to start our first two PL matches

-Spurs don’t have Europe this year so very few opportunities outside the league games
He's going to an uber shit league effectively dropping down a division, you don't learn anything over there especially when you've already played in the PL

No we bought Van de Ven because we NEEDED him to ft our playstyle, it wasn't an either/or scenario that you're suggesting.

You must really enjoy being incorrect. :thumbup:
I haven’t said a thing that’s incorrect. All I’ve said is that there may be a reason a player would like to go a place he can start rather than a place where the club has clearly indicated that they prefer other players over him in the starting position.
 
You brought the term into play; not me..... But for me, the starting point in attempting to be "ambitious" ought to mean reaching for a player of significantly higher quality, not paying inflated price-tags for 'make-do' options that don't categorically tick the boxes we need ticking.

If you think Vlahovic is a dead-cert that would significantly elevate this team and would be worth eg (70m+) then fair enough (I don't but that's subjectivity for you), but the other two come with their own flaws...... i.e. Neither are young, Watkins (first time I recall someone here saying they want him, FWIW) would require a massive over-payment to get him out of Villa and Toney can't even play til the season is half finished so doesn't even solve the so-called Richarlison problem.
Rightio. But in terms of Spurs and where they're currently at, I struggle to see a more ambitious move than Toney or Watkins. If we make the CL next year then perhaps we can think bigger.
 
I think our forward problems are bigger than Richarlison.

Son still looks way off. He had about 10-15 minutes where he seemed to get involved and hurt United, but then faded again. Got moved into the middle when Perisic came on and vanished so badly I actually thought he'd gone off too.
Kulu tried and tried and tried.....by repeatedly cutting in and shooting straight at the keeper.
The one time he went on the outside and used his right we scored from it.
 
I think our forward problems are bigger than Richarlison.

Son still looks way off. He had about 10-15 minutes where he seemed to get involved and hurt United, but then faded again. Got moved into the middle when Perisic came on and vanished so badly I actually thought he'd gone off too.
Kulu tried and tried and tried.....by repeatedly cutting in and shooting straight at the keeper.
The one time he went on the outside and used his right we scored from it.
That's because we struggle to find our striker at the moment, Richarlison had the same problem. I thought Son was pretty good, and Kulu was pretty much exactly what you described. I'd love for use to buy a new RW.
 
French club wants Player. French journalists get info from French club.
Except they’re not being quoted as saying Monaco wants Tosin. That much is already clear.
I doubt Tosin is going to wake up tomorrow and say ‘Oh I really wanted Spurs yesterday but I must want Monaco today because the French press say so.’
I doubt that Spurs are dropping out of the race based on reports they read in the French press.
 
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