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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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Micky Bubbles said:
Two squad players proven to not be good enough sold and replaced with players presumably scouted to have a good potential. Of course top clubs do that
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Not with kids they don't.

I remember years ago. Liverpool at their best and United under Ferguson.

They bought 2 players who would be expected to be straight in the team or first 13/14., and to make them better. Plus two others.

I don't think we are stronger than last season and certainly we are not strong enough.

And my frustration although time will tell is that it seems the players of the type I think we need could arguably have been obtained.

As always when predicting something less I hope I'm wrong, but we are not going to away grounds and scaring anyone with our squad. That starts on Sunday.
 
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Brian Fantana said:
They’ll all end up mysteriously and miraculously in Saudi Arabia as their window closes after ours.
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SeeSpotRun said:
The problem for Chelsea is that they'll struggle to get market value for those sales. Transfermarkt lists the following "situational conditions" which can influence transfer price:
- Pressure situations such as competitive, success or financial pressure, etc.
- Will/desire/interests of the player
- Club does not sell to highest bidder
- Player goes on strike or similar
- High salary
- Club wants to sell player

Potentially five of those six come into play here and will get worse the longer it goes on.

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TBH, Chelsea and even Man United do what we should have been doing for years to players we want gone. We don't bring in new first team players because we refuse to have a bloated squad. So we find loans or we reintegrate the players into the team. They're then stuck on the wage bill limiting our ability.
If we were a bit more ruthless, many of them would figure it's best to find a new club and actually go if they want to play football.

As for Chelsea struggling to get market value, they'll find a way. They'll either falsify the amounts somehow or buy 3 companies to effectively buy the player from themselves, probably at over market value so they can go and use their own money to buy more shiny new toys.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Ange is also the first manager since Poch where it’s been clear that he’s trying to build a finished squad. It’s also clear that doing it with young players who can grow into starting roles are part of a plan for the squad to have a cycle that lasts longer than just one team.
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Reminds me of the time in Blackadder Goes Forth when he is being told about the same plan to run into no man's land and die and Melchet says that they wont be expecting the same plan again.

Sooner than later we have to realise these projects dont work if you just load the team up with young players. You need experience. Even the fabled "you dont win anything with kids" man utd team has Schmeichel, Pallister, Keane, Cole, Cantona and McClair in it. It is a fools errand to go down this route without very good senior pros in the team and squad.
 
Notabadsquad said:
Not with kids they don't.

I remember years ago. Livrrpoll st their best amd Ferguson.

They bought 2 plsyers who would be expected to be straight in the team or first 13/14. Plus two others.

I don't think we are stronger than last season and certainly we are not strong enough.

Anc ny frustration although time will tell is that it seems the plsyers of the type I think we need could arguably have been obtained.

As always when predicting sonething less I hope I'm wrong, but we are not going to away grounds and scoring anyone with our squad. That starts on Sunday.
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Not to bring up a cliche but Ferguson built dynasty on trusting kids.
 
Brian Fantana said:
Reminds me of the time in Blackadder Goes Forth when he is being told about the same plan to run into no man's land and die and Melchet says that they wont be expecting the same plan again.

Sooner than later we have to realise these projects dont work if you just load the team up with young players. You need experience. Even the fabled "you dont win anything with kids" man utd team has Schmeichel, Pallister, Keane, Cole, Cantona and McClair in it. It is a fools errand to go down this route without very good senior pros in the team and squad.
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Eh?

The last time we tried a project like this was Poch and it was the closest we’ve come to being successful.

Running into no man’s land repeatedly would be hiring another big name coach and furnishing them with mercenaries and veterans that aren’t the level because we don’t pay the wages to attract the top level mercenaries and veterans. Only to sack said big name coach 12 months later.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Not to bring up a cliche but Ferguson built dynasty on trusting kids.
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He literally just said that the team full of kids also contained some of the best, older players in the game at the time.
They did indeed win stuff with kids in the team, but it wasn't a team of only kids. It had a lot of experience and it always did.
I just think that in the early 90's most English top division sides were 25+ hairy bastard mens men. You didn't often see teenagers with silly haircuts. Much less 3 or 4 of them starting every game.
And the definition of kids is different. Beckham was 20 when he had his break out season. G Neville was 19-20, Butt 19-20
We have 18 year olds, some of which have no experience in English football at all.

It may pay off.

It may not.

We just don't know. Anyone who claims that it will is fooling themselves with blind hope.
 
Brian Fantana said:
Reminds me of the time in Blackadder Goes Forth when he is being told about the same plan to run into no man's land and die and Melchet says that they wont be expecting the same plan again.

Sooner than later we have to realise these projects dont work if you just load the team up with young players. You need experience. Even the fabled "you dont win anything with kids" man utd team has Schmeichel, Pallister, Keane, Cole, Cantona and McClair in it. It is a fools errand to go down this route without very good senior pros in the team and squad.
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We are littered with senior pros though - Son, Romero, Bentancur, Bissouma, Solanke, Maddison, Kulusevski, Vicario, Porro - thats 9 positions out of 11 with a senior pro most would expect to start.

Then there is Werner, Richarlison, Davies, Forster all senior back up.

The 2 starting non senior players are VDV and Udogie - both proven they are good enough and ready.

After that, you still have players with plenty of senior minutes in them - BJ, Spence, Dragusin.

Even the youngsters we have signed have played senior football - Bergvall, Gray, Odobert, Vuskovic, Hyuk

Mikey Moore and Will Lankshear are about the only 2 youngsters we could throw in with zero experience at this point - which I would be up for if playing say Elfsborg at home in the Europa
 
I prefer the approach we are taking, I think we have identified some top talent - Bergvall, Vuskovic and Gray look as close to sure things as it gets.

Odobert has a great chance of being a top player.

Hyuk - long time away, see what happens.

Phillips - sceptical

Devine - I like him but he never seems to get a proper chance

Moore - possibly the best of the lot

Lankshear - 50/50, probably needs a loan

It’s the best set of youngsters I can ever remember the club having, and I would expect at least 4 of these lot to make the grade with us
 
Matt1882 said:
He literally just said that the team full of kids also contained some of the best, older players in the game at the time.
They did indeed win stuff with kids in the team, but it wasn't a team of only kids. It had a lot of experience and it always did.
I just think that in the early 90's most English top division sides were 25+ hairy bastard mens men. You didn't often see teenagers with silly haircuts. Much less 3 or 4 of them starting every game.
And the definition of kids is different. Beckham was 20 when he had his break out season. G Neville was 19-20, Butt 19-20
We have 18 year olds, some of which have no experience in English football at all.

It may pay off.

It may not.

We just don't know. Anyone who claims that it will is fooling themselves with blind hope.
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Our team full of kids that also has:

Son Heung Min - Recognized as possibly the best finisher in the game.
James Maddison - Up there with the best AM's in the Prem.
Christian Romero - World Cup winner and recognized as one of the best CBs in the world.
Micky Van De Ven - The fastest CB in the world and starting to get calls to be considered amongst the best CBs in the premier league.

Then we have guys like Bissouma who is inconsistent but on his day is up there with the best #6's in the premier league and Pedro Porro who was up there with the most creative attacking defenders in Europe's top 5 leagues last season and already scored another goal this season so only likely to improve.

Just read Richard Splash Richard Splash response as well and realized I'd forgotten to include Solanke, one of the best #9's in the Prem last season and finally delivering on his ceiling as one of the most promising young forwards in the game when he came through the Chelsea academy.
 
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McCOYS said:
Hopefully Amanda and the Arabs will eventually take over.
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I'm not against a takeover at all. I'm skeptical about her though. What did she actually achieve at Newcastle other than sourcing Saudi investors to enrich herself when she sold her stake?

Newcastle improved under them but their best achievement was Top 4. That's not the step we need to take as a club, we've done that repeatedly already.
 
John Thomas said:
Yeah, but come on,. he didn't have Daniel Levy as his chairman.
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He did not but he also didn't have a scouting network with the coverage we have now. He discovered Ronaldo because they played Sporting in pre-season or something like that.

I would say this though, listen to the way Harry Redknapp speaks about Archie Gray and it becomes abundantly clear that Gray is exactly the type of talent that Fergie used to hoover up from the English football pyramid. Meanwhile we have whingers in our fanbase complaining about it because they wanted a mercenary with a bigger name they they've heard of like Locatelli or Ugarte who have both failed their auditions at bigger clubs. Not saying they are bad players but one thing I do know is that when Harry Redknapp talks about a young English footballer, you listen.
 
McCOYS said:
Hopefully Amanda and the Arabs will eventually take over.
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Disgusting thought

Having Saudi investment I've accepted because the football is awash with dirty money anyway but being a face for their Sportswahing playing in Saudi themed kits with their sponsors dotted around the stadium as a constant reminder to their sinister regime. no thank you.
 
Richard Arlison said:
I'm not against a takeover at all. I'm skeptical about her though. What did she actually achieve at Newcastle other than sourcing Saudi investors to enrich herself when she sold her stake?

Newcastle improved under them but their best achievement was Top 4. That's not the step we need to take as a club, we've done that repeatedly already.
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Newcastle are better now than they were beforehand, at least since Keegan was their manager.
 
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