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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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TeamSpirit™ said:
Once again, if Pep Guardiola is willing to willing to let you go when you are in your supposed peak/don’t have that many miles on the clock, perhaps the player just isn’t that good? 🚩

What I find hilarious/maddening over the constant bed wetting over Woolwich’s transfer activities is that the players who are the cornerstone of their team were all brought early in Arteta’s reign as pretty raw products or very young.

Odegaard got lost in the shuffle at Real Madrid and was 21.

Saliba bought at 18 - loaned for 3 years to Ligue 1, introduced at 21

Gabriel 22

Ben White 23 - one year of prem experience

Saka - Academy product introduced at 18 by Emery

Martinelli - 18 straight from Brazil by Emery

This group are basically the guys that evolved so quickly as a collective that they’ve left the likes of Jesus & Zinchenko behind. Yet there’s a certain bunch on here that will tell you with a straight face that Jesus & Zinchenko are “showing ambition” and they’re the reason why they are where they are.

And not every signing has worked out for one reason or another, Tomiyasu, Lokonga, Kiwior, Fabio Vieira, Ramsdale and plenty more.

As our squad evolves, expect the same who won’t make it, despite us having high hopes for them. “They expect one of us (to be found) in the wreckage brother!” - Bane
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Col_McCafferty said:
No he's not.

Why do people make claims like this, as if they're the truth when it's only mere opinion.

Wow, we've made some successful signings in our history. Some didn't turn out to be complete shite. How amazing we are, how grateful we should be.

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Also, be prepared for more begrudging praise of Woolwich on here as they're set to challenge for the PL title again whilst we're nowhere near. Hopefully it won't be long before the roles are reversed!
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JT is the one who made the claim, brother - I don't see you asking him the same question.

He said

We don't attract top players even when we qualify for the Champions League. Other top clubs sign top players even when they miss out.

Pure opinion and hyperbole which i had the audacity to call out as bullshit using actual facts, not opinion.

Do we sign top players - YES

Do Woolwich sign worse shite than we do - YES

Lokonga, Tavares, Torriera, Gendouzi, Kolasinac, Viera, Holding, Celleboas, Teirney, Mari - fuck me imagine if would have signed some of that shit the last 5 years.

Have they made good signings too, of course they have - but so have we - in the CL or not and saying otherwise is simply not true.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
Once again, if Pep Guardiola is willing to willing to let you go when you are in your supposed peak/don’t have that many miles on the clock, perhaps the player just isn’t that good? 🚩

What I find hilarious/maddening over the constant bed wetting over Woolwich’s transfer activities is that the players who are the cornerstone of their team were all brought early in Arteta’s reign as pretty raw products or very young.

Odegaard got lost in the shuffle at Real Madrid and was 21.

Saliba bought at 18 - loaned for 3 years to Ligue 1, introduced at 21

Gabriel 22

Ben White 23 - one year of prem experience

Saka - Academy product introduced at 18 by Emery

Martinelli - 18 straight from Brazil by Emery

This group are basically the guys that evolved so quickly as a collective that they’ve left the likes of Jesus & Zinchenko behind. Yet there’s a certain bunch on here that will tell you with a straight face that Jesus & Zinchenko are “showing ambition” and they’re the reason why they are where they are.

And not every signing has worked out for one reason or another, Tomiyasu, Lokonga, Kiwior, Fabio Vieira, Ramsdale and plenty more.

As our squad evolves, expect the same who won’t make it, despite us having high hopes for them. “They expect one of us (to be found) in the wreckage brother!” - Bane
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dudu said:
JT is the one who made the claim, brother - I don't see you asking him the same question.

He said

We don't attract top players even when we qualify for the Champions League. Other top clubs sign top players even when they miss out.

Pure opinion and hyperbole which i had the audacity to call out as bullshit using actual facts, not opinion.

Do we sign top players - YES

Do Woolwich sign worse shite than we do - YES

Lokonga, Tavares, Torriera, Gendouzi, Kolasinac, Viera, Holding, Celleboas, Teirney, Mari - fuck me imagine if would have signed some of that shit the last 5 years.

Have they made good signings too, of course they have - but so have we - in the CL or not and saying otherwise is simply not true.
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£70m Pepe was my favourite :roflmao:
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
Once again, if Pep Guardiola is willing to willing to let you go when you are in your supposed peak/don’t have that many miles on the clock, perhaps the player just isn’t that good? 🚩

What I find hilarious/maddening over the constant bed wetting over Woolwich’s transfer activities is that the players who are the cornerstone of their team were all brought early in Arteta’s reign as pretty raw products or very young.

Odegaard got lost in the shuffle at Real Madrid and was 21.

Saliba bought at 18 - loaned for 3 years to Ligue 1, introduced at 21

Gabriel 22

Ben White 23 - one year of prem experience

Saka - Academy product introduced at 18 by Emery

Martinelli - 18 straight from Brazil by Emery

This group are basically the guys that evolved so quickly as a collective that they’ve left the likes of Jesus & Zinchenko behind. Yet there’s a certain bunch on here that will tell you with a straight face that Jesus & Zinchenko are “showing ambition” and they’re the reason why they are where they are.

And not every signing has worked out for one reason or another, Tomiyasu, Lokonga, Kiwior, Fabio Vieira, Ramsdale and plenty more.

As our squad evolves, expect the same who won’t make it, despite us having high hopes for them. “They expect one of us (to be found) in the wreckage brother!” - Bane
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I don’t think anyone has specifically pointed to Jesus and Zinchenko and said that’s Woolwich “showing ambition.” That’s just nonsense. If they have please do share.

For me anyway, the example of Woolwich showing ambition is them finishing second in the league, and the following summer they then go toe to toe with Manchester City and beat them to Declan Rice for £100 million.
They then supplement that with Havertz for £60 million and Timber for £40 million.

THAT is ambition. That is a level of ambition that Daniel Levy and ENIC have never and will never show.

Trying to claim that Woolwich aren’t doing far more than us to try and be successful on the football pitch just makes you look foolish.
 
TomHotspur said:
I don’t think anyone has specifically pointed to Jesus and Zinchenko and said that’s Woolwich “showing ambition.” That’s just nonsense. If they have please do share.

For me anyway, the example of Woolwich showing ambition is them finishing second in the league, and the following summer they then go toe to toe with Manchester City and beat them to Declan Rice for £100 million.
They then supplement that with Havertz for £60 million and Timber for £40 million.

THAT is ambition. That is a level of ambition that Daniel Levy and ENIC have never and will never show.

Trying to claim that Woolwich aren’t doing far more than us to try and be successful on the football pitch just makes you look foolish.
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Youre missing the point entirely.

The model they employed when Arteta came in was almost identical to the one we are doing.

Get rid of the wasters, buy a tonne of young talent (for MUCH less than we have), bring through some youth players and then and only then...., 4 years into the project after seeing the success of the project, they invested heavily to push them further once the foundations were in place.
 
dudu said:
Youre missing the point entirely.

The model they employed when Arteta cam in was almost identical to the one we are doing.

Get rid of the wasters, buy a tonne of young talent for MUCH less than we have, bring through some youth players and then, 4 years into the project after seeing the success of the project, they invested heavily to push them further once the foundations were in place.
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People won't mention the fact that they had the youngest squad in the league in 2022/23 and the 3rd youngest last season yet when they do it its fine yet when we go down the same route we but too many kids and don't have the desire or will to push on, okay then.

The only clear difference between us and them is that they have since upped their wage bill and put their most important players amongst the highest paid in the league, remains to be seen if we will do that (we certainly have thr capacity now). Ange needs to really have a solid season and push these guys onto different levels so they csn justify a pay rise.
 
TomHotspur said:
I don’t think anyone has specifically pointed to Jesus and Zinchenko and said that’s Woolwich “showing ambition.” That’s just nonsense. If they have please do share.

For me anyway, the example of Woolwich showing ambition is them finishing second in the league, and the following summer they then go toe to toe with Manchester City and beat them to Declan Rice for £100 million.
They then supplement that with Havertz for £60 million and Timber for £40 million.

THAT is ambition. That is a level of ambition that Daniel Levy and ENIC have never and will never show.

Trying to claim that Woolwich aren’t doing far more than us to try and be successful on the football pitch just makes you look foolish.
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see, I absolutely detest being put into a position where I could be interpreted as defending Levy/ENIC, but since the stadium opened the figures don’t back your claims up, certain was a valid accusation under Redknapp and Pochettino in particular, but since 2019… nah.

It’s been more about incompetence only surpassed on the Boehly level rather than being Miserly.

The question is how do we get into the position to buy a Declan Rice in the first place? And it seems a lot of you want to ignore that 20-23 period of growth they had. I notice the same amnesia occurring when analysing Liverpool pre 2018-19 under Klopp as well.

we’ve switched strategies AGAIN (which causes a further delay) and this time I hope Levy has the bollocks to see it through, that’s the biggest thing holding us back - the fans have a very similar attitude to flipping the table over at the first sign of difficulty. Arteta was still stuck with despite going through a period where he once got 5 points in 10 games. That’s showing bollocks.
 
Shadydan said:
People won't mention the fact that they had the youngest squad in the league in 2022/23 and the 3rd youngest last season yet when they do it its fine yet when we go down the same route we but too many kids and don't have the desire or will to push on, okay then.

The only clear difference between us and them is that they have since upped their wage bill and put their most important players amongst the highest paid in the league, remains to be seen if we will do that (we certainly have thr capacity now). Ange needs to really have a solid season and push these guys onto different levels so they csn justify a pay rise.
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Amd won an FA Cup, something we won't do.

Massive differences.
 
dudu said:
Youre missing the point entirely.

The model they employed when Arteta came in was almost identical to the one we are doing.

Get rid of the wasters, buy a tonne of young talent (for MUCH less than we have), bring through some youth players and then and only then...., 4 years into the project after seeing the success of the project, they invested heavily to push them further once the foundations were in place.
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That’s an idea you have concocted up in your head though.

There is absolutely zero tangible evidence that
A) we are following the same plan as Woolwich or B) we will ever actually progress to the way they are currently backing Arteta.
 
Shadydan said:
People won't mention the fact that they had the youngest squad in the league in 2022/23 and the 3rd youngest last season yet when they do it its fine yet when we go down the same route we but too many kids and don't have the desire or will to push on, okay then.

The only clear difference between us and them is that they have since upped their wage bill and put their most important players amongst the highest paid in the league, remains to be seen if we will do that (we certainly have thr capacity now). Ange needs to really have a solid season and push these guys onto different levels so they csn justify a pay rise.
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Exactly, it remains to be seen if we will do that - and if we don't, then it's worth having a pop.

They spend relative pennies on Gabriel, Saliba, Martinelli, Odegaard - obviously, Saka was an academy prospect. Pre Rice and Haavertz those were the players they relied on week in and week out and we have spent more on players like Romero, Van De Ven, Maddison, and Johnson not to mention Bergvall, Gray, and Odobert.

I'll give them kudos on the big sum they paid for Ben White though, he has been worth every penny for them.
 
TomHotspur said:
That’s an idea you have concocted up in your head though.

There is absolutely zero tangible evidence that
A) we are following the same plan as Woolwich or B) we will ever actually progress to the way they are currently backing Arteta.
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Nope it's an idea that I saw when looking at the money they spent on the transfers, who they spent it on, and at which point doing Arteta's tenure they spent it.

How much did they spend on Martinelli? Saliba? Gabriel? Odegaard?

I can tell you almost for certain its less than we spent on players in the same positions at the same point in Ange's tenure.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
see, I absolutely detest being put into a position where I could be interpreted as defending Levy/ENIC, but since the stadium opened the figures don’t back your claims up, certain was a valid accusation under Redknapp and Pochettino in particular, but since 2019… nah.

It’s been more about incompetence only surpassed on the Boehly level rather than being Miserly.

The question is how do we get into the position to buy a Declan Rice in the first place? And it seems a lot of you want to ignore that 20-23 period of growth they had. I notice the same amnesia occurring when analysing Liverpool pre 2018-19 under Klopp as well.

we’ve switched strategies AGAIN (which causes a further delay) and this time I hope Levy has the bollocks to see it through, that’s the biggest thing holding us back - the fans have a very similar attitude to flipping the table over at the first sign of difficulty. Arteta was still stuck with despite going through a period where he once got 5 points in 10 games. That’s showing bollocks.
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We haven’t switched strategies though mate. I just don’t see why people keep peddling this narrative.

Since ENIC took over the club we have always by and large operated a buy young talent policy and hope they develop into top players policy.

Yes we may be paying slightly more for players now, but that is more to do with general inflation than a change in strategy. We’re in a world now where Bournemouth are buying 50 million strikers ffs.

Of course I hope I’m wrong, but I just can’t see what evidence suggests to people that we are going to be competing with City and other European powerhouse in the market in the near future for top players that will help us to genuinely challenge.
 
We need to sign a LB/LCB before this window ends. Udogie and VDV can’t play 50+ games this season. Spence, Davies & Dragusin can do a job at LB and LCB but it’s not ideal. It's the major weakness we have in the squad atm and we should address it sooner rather than later.
 
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