Supporters Trust Demands Meeting with Board

[Bill Madrid]

I'm sick of this selective, romantic DNA thing that gets bandied about, the myth that we're known the world over for our free-flowing attackattackattack doing-things-in-style approach to the game.

Yes, that's part of it, the part we fans cling to. It's by no means all.

Here are some other strands that are just as woven into Tottenham Hotspur's genetic code it seems, things that have shown their ugly head again and again over the nearly fifty years I've followed us...

• Having a spine that has all the durability of jelly. Often a near absence of a "roll-up-your sleeves-and-fight mentality". Compare us to our rivals, yes, very much including Arsen*l, and see how we stand up. The reason the "Lads, it's Tottenham" jibe hurts is because we all know it's true
• Treating coaches, players like garbage
• Treating fans even worse. Not listening, ignoring our concerns, a complete lack of transparency etc.
• Not looking to build on our successes
• An underlying low self-esteem, "plucky li'l Tottenham"
• NOT Daring to Do

Obviously not all of this is on Levy/ENIC, but that's the DNA I most see them remaining faithful to

 

[Distaste for scouse]

Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust requests meeting with club's board to discuss 'short and long-term' vision

Tottenham have lost three consecutive Premier League games to Crystal Palace, Chelsea and Woolwich after their search for a new manager ended with the appointment of Nuno Espirito Santo in June; Spurs rank 20th in the league for shots and chances created this season

www.skysports.com

THST have demanded a meeting with the board.
They want to know what the plans for the season and beyond are and how the DNA of the club is to be regained.

I'd like to add these points to the agenda
1) How do you intend to repair the damage your actions have done to the club and re-establish THFC as a club top coaches and players want to join.
2) If selling your share of the club and leaving is the only way to repair this damage, why isn't this an option? Continual decline is as bad for Levy/ENIC as it is for fans.
3) How do you explain the decline of the club from title contenders and champions league finalists to relegation fodder that no one wants to touch with a barge pole?
4) How do you feel declining a nine figure sum for a 28 year old who clearly wanted to leave has benefitted THFC and what is the plan now? Especially in a covid environment when we're told continuously that the club don't have the financial power of rivals

I'd like to ask them when they intend to reduce ticket prices. If we are going to be a mid table team I'll suck it up, but they need to change the prices to reflect the lack of ambition.

 

[JDK]

I’m glad that the trust does these things and tries to hold the club accountable, but ultimately the answers are always the same.

Q) Why aren’t you spending more? A) Well actually we’ve just spent 80m in the summer window including 47m on a CB, that’s quite a significant sum, don’t you think? Transfers are very difficult, especially in this market
Q) Why are the ticket prices so high? A) Actually you’ll find that the rates are quite competitive considering the quality of the competition and the local market we operate in.
Q) Why is the team so shit? A) Well we’re all disappointed in the current results and working very hard to get it turned around.

It’s all dodges, obfuscations, and half truths. We conduct the same ritual every two-ish years and it’s always the same.

Ultimately, you see it up and down the country at numerous clubs Woolwich, Newcastle, Villa, etc. that fans have very little power to impact a club’s level of ambition or alter the treatment of fans. The only way to really get their attention is to hit their pocketbook, but one of the crucial parts of fandom is loyalty. Plus, it hardly seems a fair trade to give up something you love because a bunch of nameless and faceless suited cunts are running it into the ground.

If the whole fan base isn’t united behind what essentially would have to be a boycott, they’ll still make their money anyway. Even then that might not be enough, it’s not like you’re going to corporate box types and tourists on board with you.

We know they don’t give a toss who fill the seats, hell during the ESL debacle they practically went as far to say they’d be pleased if there were fewer gobby “legacy fans” attending. There‘s just not a lot to be realistically done. Though I respect the trust for trying.

 

[BROCKVILLE]

Look who turned up tonight for the meeting. Some say he is positive that talks will go well and they'll see his side of things.

Looks frustratingly healthy for an 84 year old

 

[Matt1882]

Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust requests meeting with club's board to discuss 'short and long-term' vision

Tottenham have lost three consecutive Premier League games to Crystal Palace, Chelsea and Woolwich after their search for a new manager ended with the appointment of Nuno Espirito Santo in June; Spurs rank 20th in the league for shots and chances created this season

www.skysports.com

THST have demanded a meeting with the board.
They want to know what the plans for the season and beyond are and how the DNA of the club is to be regained.

I'd like to add these points to the agenda
1) How do you intend to repair the damage your actions have done to the club and re-establish THFC as a club top coaches and players want to join.
2) If selling your share of the club and leaving is the only way to repair this damage, why isn't this an option? Continual decline is as bad for Levy/ENIC as it is for fans.
3) How do you explain the decline of the club from title contenders and champions league finalists to relegation fodder that no one wants to touch with a barge pole?
4) How do you feel declining a nine figure sum for a 28 year old who clearly wanted to leave has benefitted THFC and what is the plan now? Especially in a covid environment when we're told continuously that the club don't have the financial power of rivals

 

[Matt1882]

I'd like to ask them when they intend to reduce ticket prices. If we are going to be a mid table team I'll suck it up, but they need to change the prices to reflect the lack of ambition.

I ain't paying another £1,200 next year for this fucking shit that's for sure.
Nor am I spending 6 hours of my day going to and from the game to see us bottle it.

 

[Incomplete_usernam]

I'm sick of this selective, romantic DNA thing that gets bandied about, the myth that we're known the world over for our free-flowing attackattackattack doing-things-in-style approach to the game.

Yes, that's part of it, the part we fans cling to. It's by no means all.

Here are some other strands that are just as woven into Tottenham Hotspur's genetic code it seems, things that have shown their ugly head again and again over the nearly fifty years I've followed us...

• Having a spine that has all the durability of jelly. Often a near absence of a "roll-up-your sleeves-and-fight mentality". Compare us to our rivals, yes, very much including Arsen*l, and see how we stand up. The reason the "Lads, it's Tottenham" jibe hurts is because we all know it's true
• Treating coaches, players like garbage
• Treating fans even worse. Not listening, ignoring our concerns, a complete lack of transparency etc.
• Not looking to build on our successes
• An underlying low self-esteem, "plucky li'l Tottenham"
• NOT Daring to Do

Obviously not all of this is on Levy/ENIC, but that's the DNA I most see them remaining faithful to

A huge part of this problem also is that we have a significant chunk of our fanbase that seem to love the "plucky little Tottenham" mentality, they are just happy with the mediocre and will defend this ownership and the lack of ambition it shows until the day they die.

It's sad watching so many of them just happy with paying for and watching these owners turn us into a corporate entertainment company and let the football side of the operation fall off of a cliff, they CELEBRATE our financial gains rather than our results, these people are not supporters of this club, they are supporters of the ownership.

I agree with every other thing you have said as well mate, it's really sad to see the club in its current state.

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

We are over a billion pounds in debt, the highest in world football....how many more risks do you want him to take?...

Personally I’d like to see him try and clear the Grand Canyon on a motorbike with Levy in the side car

 

[ArcspacE]

Looks frustratingly healthy for an 84 year old

Cunt will live forever - drinks the blood of young ST holders

 

[John Thomas]

THST have previously refused to meet with the club -

May 2021 - Tottenham said to be disappointed after Supporters Trust (THST) rejected a meeting with chairman Daniel Levy and executive board, preferring to submit a six-point plan for the future of the club to the owner Joe Lewis

Now the boot is on the other foot they whine like stuck pigs - you reap what you sow.

Gotta love the "Mr Outraged" posters all having a rant - same posters who 100% supported THST when they refused a face to face meeting - maybe they should go look up the meaning of hypocrite and karma?

And as sure as lager turns to piss, The Outsider comes out on the side of the owners while shitting on our supporters

Spurs fan my arse

 

[NorseYid]

Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust requests meeting with club's board to discuss 'short and long-term' vision

Tottenham have lost three consecutive Premier League games to Crystal Palace, Chelsea and Woolwich after their search for a new manager ended with the appointment of Nuno Espirito Santo in June; Spurs rank 20th in the league for shots and chances created this season

www.skysports.com

THST have demanded a meeting with the board.
They want to know what the plans for the season and beyond are and how the DNA of the club is to be regained.

I'd like to add these points to the agenda
1) How do you intend to repair the damage your actions have done to the club and re-establish THFC as a club top coaches and players want to join.
2) If selling your share of the club and leaving is the only way to repair this damage, why isn't this an option? Continual decline is as bad for Levy/ENIC as it is for fans.
3) How do you explain the decline of the club from title contenders and champions league finalists to relegation fodder that no one wants to touch with a barge pole?
4) How do you feel declining a nine figure sum for a 28 year old who clearly wanted to leave has benefitted THFC and what is the plan now? Especially in a covid environment when we're told continuously that the club don't have the financial power of rivals

5) Why have they lied about that elusive aMbItIoN for 20 years, and used it with a straight face as leverage for some of the most expensive ticket prices in the league, when really it's just financing ENICs real estate developments?

 

[SpiderSpurs]

The club doesn't give a fuck what the self serving Trust want.

 

[Delboy750]

We are over a billion pounds in debt, the highest in world football....how many more risks do you want him to take?...

Literally zero risk tbh with current repayment schedule it’s almost water tight even if got relegated the events would cover the repayments. The stadium can virtually stand as a separate entity. A risk is spending £500m on players.

 

[CarrieFi]

I wonder how long they’ll think about it

 

[OldBoy68]

The club doesn't give a fuck what the self serving Trust want.

They do give a massive fuck. It will just rank a little lower than item 1154 which is to add additional 50p when adding onions to your hotdog.

 

[Tomo]

The bigger issue for me is not the money it’s the total lack of football vision. We hit the jackpot with Poch because he suited our limitations.

Once he was gone we could have gone for Naglesmann but no we went for Jose, then rather Potter or Ten Hag we go for Nuno. This doesn’t speak of a club that understands what it wants to achieve on the actual pitch nor understands what it is. Over the past 2-3 years almost all of the clubs decisions have been shit. So to simply say this is a money issue isn’t true.

A club that has an identity, scouts to build its vision can make up for a lot. The likes of Liverpool and for the matter Leicester who are a smaller club than us is testament to that.

 

[TonySoprano]

Looks frustratingly healthy for an 84 year old

He should do, billionaire living in the Bahamas, probably with the best private medical team money can buy at his disposal.

Not like the average 84 year old in the UK, struggling to cope on their pension or living in a care home being fed cold porridge by moody, immigrants on £9 an hour.

 

[Sir Archibald Crooks]

That’s how it feels. The club has been used to facilitate all the property purchase and development. It’s clever and it’s effective, but it has the impact of undermining the sporting competitiveness of the club.

The way things are, it could be right to assume, ENIC / Tavistock don’t really need the club itself to do anything further. And that’s why we have been reversing up the road for a while.

This is spot on. I'm sure the owners would like a good side and champions league football for the 'brand' but because of the stadium we now dont need it. Why spend a ton of money on players who, given the strength of the prem, might not make top 4 anyway. Why risk it when you know you can keep the money rolling in regardless. It feels like we've been duped. They will make the odd PR gesture like Bale or the sabre rattling over Kane to give the impression we're still competitive but its just smoke and mirrors. They simply aren't bothered and the managerial search was 100% proof of that.

 

[scott]

A huge part of this problem also is that we have a significant chunk of our fanbase that seem to love the "plucky little Tottenham" mentality, they are just happy with the mediocre and will defend this ownership and the lack of ambition it shows until the day they die.

It's sad watching so many of them just happy with paying for and watching these owners turn us into a corporate entertainment company and let the football side of the operation fall off of a cliff, they CELEBRATE our financial gains rather than our results, these people are not supporters of this club, they are supporters of the ownership.

I agree with every other thing you have said as well mate, it's really sad to see the club in its current state.

Totally agree. Especially when they get on their high horse about being positive. When all they do is tell us we can’t do better than enic & levy & that we should be grateful for 6th or 7th because of how bad the 90s are. Very negative about life under new owners & any hope we have of improving.

Handing over a lot of their hard earned cash to levy/enic for over priced tickets to watch average football & the conference league. Then celebrating financial aspects rather than football success. Fair More annoyed at people criticising their beloved enic/levy than us being crap.
As you say, they are fans of the levy & enic. Why else spend your days defending them non stop & getting abusive towards people who criticise their beloved levy & enic. Only ever seen fans like that on here & with Spurs. I can’t imagine fans of other teams being so defensive & protective of a random guy who’s your owner & one who’s your chairman. They wouldn’t give a shit. Very odd.

Problem is their are plenty of fans like that happy to pay For overpriced tickets for mid table football. So we can finish 7th, 9th, 8th, 7th etc & they will keep spending & supporting our owners & levy. We is doomed I tell thee!

We have got enough quality to sneak a domestic cup so that is The best we can hope for & we should go all in for that. Beat Burnley & it’s probably already the quarters. We surely deserve a cup by now!

 

[MemphisWill]

It's all just clickbait for the media - first question

There is a widespread feeling of a lack of direction at the Club

That's like walking in chanting - You're shit aarrgghhh

Does the Board think we've gone forward or backwards in a footballing context over the last two years?

Same question in a different way

You have said your focus has always been on achieving success on the pitch. Do you think that one trophy in 20 years is an acceptable outcome?

Third time's the charm .....

How is that anything other than red-top media clickbait nonsense, what possible answers do they expect from that sort of aggressive approach?

It's like going to your boss and saying - you're shit but can I please have a pay rise?

If THST want to have any interaction with the club then at least ask proper open questions.

Instead of "there is a lack of direction at the club" you ask "can you give us your views on the direction the club is taking"

Instead of "Do you think one trophy in 20 years ...... " you ask "in terms of trophies won what would you consider success will look like over the next ten years"

Does nobody at the Daily Mail, sorry I meant THST, know how to start a positive discussion?

THST really ought to just hire TFC as consultants to mediate this meeting. We're fucking experts at fostering positive discussions.