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todd1882 said:
Can you remind us what happened the last time you faced Spain? Presumably England dominated as if it were a walkover...

Two things: Tuchel is not a better coach than Nagelsmann...and you're forgetting the Germans in your considerations for the next major tournament. They were the only team to 'best' the Spanish...and they didn't PTB.

And two, the German coach thing is a really bad look for the 'coming home' mob. I can't believe there are some of you elated over this. For others without the history or expectation it might be different...but for England? I've been surprised every time it's happened...guess if you win something it won't matter...but if you don't...
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LeParisien said:
So in conclusion: Argentina, Brazil, France, Spain, Netherlands, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Switzerland without getting too controversial. All as good or better in the back 6.
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Go on then, name the Swiss back 6 without looking it up. This should be good.

Oh and I can't wait to hear how a bunch of nobodies you're pretending to know are better than the likes of Stones, Rice, Trent, Guehi, Colwill, Walker, Konsa, Mainoo, etc.
 
LeParisien said:
If you think Rodri, Carvajal, and Cucurella don’t walk into the England team then I don’t know what to tell you. I think Laporte would too.

Emi Martinez, Romero and about 5 holding midfielders would walk into the England team. They’re as good.

Brazil have 3 keepers who would play ahead of Pickford. Brazil have two keepers who could probably play 6 for England. Gabriel walks in ahead of Guehi.

Come on, behave.

Sommer, Schaar or Akanji, and Xhaka all play for England. That’s half the back 6 that would be Swiss.
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Man said Fabian Schaar, you're a funny guy you know.
 
You know it's a PL break when the cunt-offs are about the national teams, always cunt-offs right?! When do some of you rest? 😂


And WHY isn't the thread about next seasons kits on page 1 ????

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Klaus said:
Especially since Real are about to sign Trent to replace Carvahal 😂

Fucking hell, I knew had that moron on ignore for a reason.
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Because Carvajal is injured and Trent is not signing a new deal. It’s circumstance.

Carvajal has won 6 Champions leagues, scoring a crucial goal in the most recent final. He is tied with Modric for having played in the most CL finals ever. He is tied for most wins ever. He is one of the most consistent right backs in the world in defence and going forward and you think he wouldn’t get in the England team?

Even Trent doesn’t consistently get in the England team !

This is the exact overconfidence that England fans suffer from.

What is incredible with you is how strong your takes are. People who disagree with you are morons even when there is a very credible case to be made outside your narrow worldview.
 
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LeParisien said:
Because Carvajal is injured and Trent is not signing a new deal. It’s circumstance.

Carvajal has won 6 Champions leagues, scoring a crucial goal in the most recent final. He is tied with Modric for having played in the most CL finals ever. He is tied for most wins ever. He is one of the most consistent right backs in the world in defence and going forward and you think he wouldn’t get in the England team?

Even Trent doesn’t consistently get in the England team !

This is the exact overconfidence that England fans suffer from.

What is incredible with you is how strong your takes are. People who disagree with you are morons even when there is a very credible case to be made outside your narrow worldview.
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Lol they wanted Trent before the injury.

Of course he wouldn’t. Walker has won a bazillion titles for city and he currently doesn’t. Carvajal has won titles at Madrid because Madrid are really good. Not because he’s a superstar.

Because Walker has existed. Widely considered the best right back in the world lmao.

It’s not overconfidence oh my god. Trent is easily considered one of the best right backs in the world. His creative stats are off the charts each season. He has weaknesses but he provides absolute star quality.

Trent would replace Carvajal. Pretty much any team in the world starts Trent. He can hit 12-13 assists a season from right back if players finish their dinner.

He hasn’t started for England because a) Dourgate is a coward and b) Walker and before that James.

Carvajal currently has one leg and will be 33 by the time he has a leg back.
 
Deuterz said:
Lol they wanted Trent before the injury.

Of course he wouldn’t. Walker has won a bazillion titles for city and he currently doesn’t. Carvajal has won titles at Madrid because Madrid are really good. Not because he’s a superstar.

Because Walker has existed. Widely considered the best right back in the world lmao.

It’s not overconfidence oh my god. Trent is easily considered one of the best right backs in the world. His creative stats are off the charts each season. He has weaknesses but he provides absolute star quality.

Trent would replace Carvajal. Pretty much any team in the world starts Trent. He can hit 12-13 assists a season from right back if players finish their dinner.

He hasn’t started for England because a) Dourgate is a coward and b) Walker and before that James.

Carvajal currently has one leg and will be 33 by the time he has a leg back.
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He’s started 6 champions league finals over the course of a decade for the best team in world football. That is a level of consistency at the highest level that you are seriously underestimating. He don’t do that by being ordinary.

If your talent were really that great then you wouldn’t have been outplayed by Switzerland or relied on a last minute goal to level with Slovakia. Comfortably beaten on xg in both games.

No point continuing this for now. Your take is that England would have been world beaters were it not for Southgate. I’m sure there’ll be more excuses next time. Every time you say “this time it’ll be different”.
 
LeParisien said:
He’s started 6 champions league finals over the course of a decade for the best team in world football. That is a level of consistency at the highest level that you are seriously underestimating. He don’t do that by being ordinary.

If your talent were really that great then you wouldn’t have been outplayed by Switzerland or relied on a last minute goal to level with Slovakia. Comfortably beaten on xg in both games.

No point continuing this for now. Your take is that England would have been world beaters were it not for Southgate. I’m sure there’ll be more excuses next time. Every time you say “this time it’ll be different”.
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Lol France literally stunk the entire euros out and scored like one open play goal all tournament but yeah, a talented team sure can’t be crap due to a poor manager!
 
LeParisien said:
Nice deflection.

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I assume you have no counter then.

Southgate is championship level. The individuals came up with moments of insane talent (Bellingoat goal, Cold Palmer goal in the final, Saka goal etc) but there was zero coaching.

We scored fantastic, individually brilliant goals but weren’t a team. That’s why we’ve hired Tuchel..
 
LeParisien said:
Switzerland outplayed you during the Euros and you snuck through on penalties. I would show a little more humility.

Klaus Klaus too
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I don't know what that has to do with a price of fish and come on let's be real 'outplayed' really? Let's try and use more accurate words if we're gonna do the whole analysis thing shall we.
 
Shadydan said:
I don't know what that has to do with a price of fish and come on let's be real 'outplayed' really? Let's try and use more accurate words if we're gonna do the whole analysis thing shall we.
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Ionman34 said:
Indeed. Switzerland gave us a game for sure, but outplayed us?
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Outplayed is strong. But they comfortably matched you. Equal possession. They looked better with their possession though … I remember how much more fluid they looked. Better in the final third too. They created 4 opportunities with a better xg than Englands best chance.

Switzerland were as good as you in that game if not better.

Same with Slovakia. Much more fluid in possession and created much better chances to win the game. They missed an absolute sitter to win it.

Classic underestimating of other teams and overestimating yourself.
 
LeParisien said:
Outplayed is strong. But they comfortably matched you. Equal possession. They looked better with their possession though … I remember how much more fluid they looked. Better in the final third too. They created 4 opportunities with a better xg than Englands best chance.

Switzerland were as good as you in that game if not better.

Same with Slovakia. Much more fluid in possession and created much better chances to win the game. They missed an absolute sitter to win it.

Classic underestimating of other teams and overestimating yourself.
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Switzerland actually knocked France out of the euros before that btw, guess Schar gets in to your team as well!

Classic underestimating of other teams and overestimating yourself.
 
Deuterz said:
Switzerland actually knocked France out of the euros before that btw, guess Schar gets in to your team as well!

Classic underestimating of other teams and overestimating yourself.
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Im not underestimating Switzerland.

However we did completely outplay them in that game … much higher XG and control of the match. But they’re a good, resilient side who often have a clear plan and technical ability. They have to because they don’t have individuals to bail them out.
 
LeParisien said:
Outplayed is strong. But they comfortably matched you. Equal possession. They looked better with their possession though … I remember how much more fluid they looked. Better in the final third too. They created 4 opportunities with a better xg than Englands best chance.

Switzerland were as good as you in that game if not better.

Same with Slovakia. Much more fluid in possession and created much better chances to win the game. They missed an absolute sitter to win it.

Classic underestimating of other teams and overestimating yourself.
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I haven't under or overestimated anyone, merely alluded to the fact that they didn't outplay us. Nor am I making out that we were a great watch or great value for that win or any other, as we weren't.

It's been said already by Deuterz, that we got through based on the individual talent that played, rather than the coached ethos. It was when we came up against equal or better talent in Spain, who were superbly coached IMO, that it was a bridge too far.

All that really shows is that the talent is there, as I've already posted previously. If the coaching is on point to make us a more cohesive team unit, then you'd have to be a fool to think we're not going to be one of the favourites to win the WC.

If a bunch of extremely talented players were good enough to make 2 finals in a row, with at best rudimentary coaching and tactics, they'd certainly be good enough to go all the way when coached properly.

That's why I wanted Klopp. I don't think there's a manager in the World better suited to get our NT playing the way our top domestic teams play. I'm not sure on Tuchel, but if he manages to do that, then there are very few NT's that will be able to live with us. I'd go as far as to say you'd be able to count them on the fingers of one hand, with more than half of those fingers unused.

And no, that's not me overestimating our talent, that's me saying that if the coaching matches the talent, then we're one of the top 2-3 NT's in the World.
 
Been watching a few talking heads about the Tuchel appointment and they constantly refer to Howe not being sounded out. Which they take to be an outrageous oversight, but FA clearly stated that they wanted someone with PL/CL experience who had won silverware (possibly stipulating in cups). Has Howe ever done this at the top level? I can't remember one.

Update: I checked Wikipedia: he's won the championship and manager of the month a few times. All the other 'honours' were runner-up positions. Southgate can do that!
 
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LeParisien said:
Outplayed is strong. But they comfortably matched you. Equal possession. They looked better with their possession though … I remember how much more fluid they looked. Better in the final third too. They created 4 opportunities with a better xg than Englands best chance.

Switzerland were as good as you in that game if not better.

Same with Slovakia. Much more fluid in possession and created much better chances to win the game. They missed an absolute sitter to win it.

Classic underestimating of other teams and overestimating yourself.
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Sorry what does this have to do with Fabian Schaar walking into the England team? Are you forgetting what argument you are.putting forward

Trolling loads of people at the same time is hard work isn't it...😉
 
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