The Impact of Covid on Spurs & Football

[Distaste for scouse]

It's not binary, only a chronic lack of imagination lends to the capitalism "Its the best worse system there is" trope. There needs to be a paradigm shift in this reductive thinking. Our options are not Socialism, or Capitalism. Perhaps a series of global pandemics will put an end to the lie, it is either or. I guarantee folk one thing, if humanity as we understand it exists in eighty years time it will not be as the free market environmental ransacking kleptocracy of today. These are the last days of the old world, not the beginning of the end but possibly the end of the beginning.

Until human nature changes Capitalism won't change.

We all strive & compete to make a better life for ourselves it's coded into our DNA, earn more money, get the biggest house we can, the best car, the best wardrobe, and with the money comes an increased chance of attracting a mate and spreading your gene. We are what we are, you are fighting against evolution.

You can't deny the human condition, and while we might look at the have not's and feel sorry for them, and we might take the time to go and clap the NHS on our doorsteps the thought is forgotten half hour later as we continue to take care of number 1.

This is why there is always so much opposition to Socialism, and why Socialist systems always have to become authoritarian to force it onto people.

Good luck with your paradigm shift.

The only thing that will reduce player wages to get back onto the original topic, is not the players agreeing to take a cut. But the market place re-evaluating their worth. If the top tier clubs can no longer afford to pay 100 million a player then they will set the market and it will trickle down to everyone else.

If it happens it won't be done through some pipe dream of balancing up inequality.

 

[Shotgunofmichalebrow]

Until human nature changes Capitalism won't change.

We all strive & compete to make a better life for ourselves it's coded into our DNA, earn more money, get the biggest house we can, the best car, the best wardrobe, and with the money comes an increased chance of attracting a mate and spreading your gene. We are what we are, you are fighting against evolution.

You can't deny the human condition, and while we might look at the have not's and feel sorry for them, and we might take the time to go and clap the NHS on our doorsteps the thought is forgotten half hour later as we continue to take care of number 1.

This is why there is always so much opposition to Socialism, and why Socialist systems always have to become authoritarian to force it onto people.

Good luck with your paradigm shift.

The only thing that will reduce player wages to get back onto the original topic, is not the players agreeing to take a cut. But the market place re-evaluating their worth. If the top tier clubs can no longer afford to pay 100 million a player then they will set the market and it will trickle down to everyone else.

If it happens it won't be done through some pipe dream of balancing up inequality.

It wont be my shift mate and it wont be optional. Again your debating the merits or lack thereof of socialism, I'm not. The binary thinking will end not because I want it to, but because we will be looking down the environmental barrel. It's already started this is the relative calm before stage. Reductive darwinian ideas about striving to earn money are not at all innate just learned. We will pretty soon come to see this when "money" as we understand it becomes an utter irrelevance. The old world with owners and workers will desperately fight to the very end to preserve this way of life but there is nothing innate in this set up. Any hoo that's me of the soap box.

 

[deadleyledley]

At this point I am kind of hoping that majority of the public give up on football at the top levels and walk away leaving the greedy owners , chairman , agents and footballers high and dry

Fans have always justified paying the exorbitant ticket prices by claiming they simply could not break the habit of going and supporting their team and watching a football match , well everyone is having to do that right now and will have to for the foreseeable future

Clear proof that we can survive without football

Won’t happen though , people will all come rushing back the day football starts up again while conveniently forgetting the disgusting behaviour Football has shown

Good post.

I'm ashamed to be in that category.
Don't know about anyone else, particularly those you have been going regularly for years but I'm really starting to reconsider my role as a fan.

I still love football, but might be better placed supporting my local non-league team instead.

 

[Benny]

Footballers earn less than average British salary, survey finds

The survey was conducted on behalf of the International Federation of Professional Footballers and gathered evidence from almost 14,000 players from across 87 leagues in 54 countries

www.independent.co.uk

I assume this includes pretty much anyone that is paid to play. If Dover pay £800 a week to their best players, their worst are probably on a small fraction of that.

Conducted by Manchester University on behalf of the International Federation of Professional Footballers (FIFPro), the 'Global Employment Report 2016' gathered evidence from almost 14,000 players from 87 leagues in 54 countries, but not England, Germany or Spain.

The Professional Footballers' Association chose not to participate in the survey, but its Irish and Scottish equivalents did.

It's not on the English leagues.

 

[Matt1882]

It's not on the English leagues.

It's all countries including England

 

[Benny]

Did you read the quoted part?

It directly says not England...

 

[Henry Hotspur]

Good post.

I'm ashamed to be in that category.
Don't know about anyone else, particularly those you have been going regularly for years but I'm really starting to reconsider my role as a fan.

I still love football, but might be better placed supporting my local non-league team instead.

Another good post..

Spurs have hardly been in my mind during the last month. When I have thought about them or been forced to think about them due to the recent negative publicity its been embarrassing but I’ve not really been surprised - esp Levy/ENIC acting like complete cunts and no one at the club having any PR savvy..

Now I’m here on TFC my thoughts on football resuming are similar to those I hold for society ‘resuming’ - I’m vacillating between thinking that once lockdown is over we’ll all look back on this as a strange moment or bubble in time OR this is the calm before the storm and life/society/culture/economics will look very different in 6 months or a years time.

Obvs if it’s the latter then THFC, the Premier League, UEFA/FIFA, professional sport will look a lot different and may cease to exist. If it’s the former, then I think football will recover fairly quickly and along with it the majority of businesses. However, the way football in general has acted over this, coupled with just how trivial (despite Shankly’s maxim) it currently appears will have lead me to finally confront my role in this circus too.

 

[Spursidol]

The FA need to be worrying about the smaller clubs, not worrying about wage deductions in the PL. they are the ones who will really be in the shit and it’s barely mentioned.

I strongly suspect PL will be asked to make a significant donation (along with The FA) to the 'smaller clubs' from Championship downwards, other wise many will go bust.

So The FA is right to worry about wage reductions in PL as these are needed to help fund that - many PL clubs are in bad shape due to the % of revenues paid out in wages, so unless there is significant wage reduction in PL there wont be much money coming.

fyi, PL gave lower leagues £125m recently which was an advance on monies they were due to pay them in August - so its short term help. What's now needed is a gift, not a loan.

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

 

[Hrytn]

Seems players don't accept wage cut

 

[NW1Spur]

Seems players don't accept wage cut

Makes sense, fuck the clubs, seems to be the attitude, let them go bankrupt, but they get to make contributions of their choice and boost their profile in the meantime.

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

Not football but................

 

[ElTel]

Not football but................

Well done them

Looks like the football industry is about to learn a very harsh lesson.

 

[Wellsey]

Not football but................

A big windfall for a League One side?

 

[Brian Fantana]

Makes sense, fuck the clubs, seems to be the attitude, let them go bankrupt, but they get to make contributions of their choice and boost their profile in the meantime.

Yep. Good for the NHS but not good for the clubs.

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

 

[Airfixx]

I'm envisaging images of a mass samurai suicide.....

I know the champo stretches themselves to the max in pursuit of that sweet EPL dollar, but are things really that bad for ALL clubs down there?

Surely there must be some that are well run and would benefit from weathering the storm?

 

[Matt1882]

A big windfall for a League One side?

Tennis

 

[Matt1882]

Makes sense, fuck the clubs, seems to be the attitude, let them go bankrupt, but they get to make contributions of their choice and boost their profile in the meantime.

This is exactly what players needed to do.
If they take a paycut they have NO say in where their money goes. This way, they get to send 100% of their share to their chosen destination AND they still pay tax before this.

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

I'm envisaging images of a mass samurai suicide.....

I know the champo stretches themselves to the max in pursuit of that sweet EPL dollar, but are things really that bad for ALL clubs down there?

Surely there must be some that are well run and would benefit from weathering the storm?

In a word, nope.

And this applies to half the PL clubs too (although away from player/manager wages their other fixed costs will be similar, so PL clubs will have a month or two longer in shit) which who knows might be enough to see this out???)