The offside rule

[DSanditon]

Neither of those responses are relevant to my post.

 

[DSanditon]

Ring the F.A then, relevant enough for you?

No, because that's still not relevant.

 

[DSanditon]

Your question is muddled. They are the same thing.

No, they're not the same thing.

Because people have been saying 'but you can't score with your armpit' as though it's relevant to the rule and I'm saying that it isn't.

 

[DSanditon]

What parts of your body is it illegal to score with?

Either way what does it matter (the original reason was the body part illegal to score rather than pointing),the outcome is the same.

See message 9.

 

[r-u-s-x]

No, they're not the same thing.

Because people have been saying 'but you can't score with your armpit' as though it's relevant to the rule and I'm saying that isn't.

You can score with your armpit

*edit.. As long as it doesn't hit upper arms

 

[Joe Clash]

No, they're not the same thing.

Because people have been saying 'but you can't score with your armpit' as though it's relevant to the rule and I'm saying that it isn't.

But you can score with your shoulder and that’s the part of the body they draw the lines from, not the armpit.

 

[r-u-s-x]

Also you will need to look at when the rule was originally defined not what it is now as its both the same thing.

This wording is more defined not the reason for it

 

[NW1Spur]

Annoying as it is, offside is offside, even if it's by 1mm. The problem is that linesmen should be putting up their flags when someone's scores and there's even a possibility it might be offside. They should only keep it down when they're 100% certain it was onside.

 

[DSanditon]

You can score with your armpit

A lot of people have been disagreeing with that over the last few days.

And the whole basis for that disagreement is over the belief that the one of the factors of the offside rule is whether it's a body part you can score with and that has caused the confusion when in fact there is no mention of that in the rules that I can see.

If I am mistaken and there is a specific reference to the illegality of scoring with your hand or arm as being the reason for its inclusion in determining whether a player is offside then please show me where it is because I can't see any reference to it at all.

 

[DSanditon]

Annoying as it is, offside is offside, even if it's by 1mm. The problem is that linesmen should be putting up their flags when someone's scores and there's even a possibility it might be offside. They should only keep it down when they're 100% certain it was onside.

I'm not debating that. That's not what I'm saying.

 

[DSanditon]

But you can score with your shoulder and that’s the part of the body they draw the lines from, not the armpit.

So why all the talk about armpits?

 

[r-u-s-x]

Football originated from a sort of rugby, they outlawed arms/hand ball as a legal move and the rule followed on from that.

 

[VirginiaSpur]

I personally believe that off-side should be determined by the placement of the feet. A striker should be allowed to hang off the back of a defender. The current rule practically rules that out.

And also, that bullshit measuring tool should be dropped. It should be visual analysis only.

 

[r-u-s-x]

before var and microscopic reviews the rule was if the bodymass /torso of the attacking player was level he's onside with the benefit of the doubt given to the offensive player to promote attacking football.

Giving the attacker the benefit was ditched a few years ago, it was only a season or two that it was a thing.

It should be a rule but wasn't before Var

 

[ShutUpPatrik]

This new rule could use a practical test before full on implementing. FIFA would like it to be in effect at the Euros so maybe trial it in the nations league before hand?

 

[r-u-s-x]

This new rule could use a practical test before full on implementing. FIFA would like it to be in effect at the Euros so maybe trial it in the nations league before hand?

there are no nations league games before the euros. do you mean friendlies?

 

[Raptor]

The whole situation is a frustration. The issue is not the rule and which body parts do or do not count. It is the ability to be able to judge the decision down to the smallest margin. This has been brought about by Sky and the other TV companies highlighting incorrect decisions using their multiple camera angles and technology before VAR was introduced. It put pressure on the game to utilise the technology and get the decisions “right”. I am not saying they all are because I do not think it is flawless (definition on when the ball was struck, are the measurements accurate enough on the video frames to be able to give a decision based on cm’s etc).

The attackers are just pushing the boundaries to beat offside and that will always be the case no matter if it is the furthest forward body part, the furthest back, feet in line etc. They will just time their run so that the part which needs to be behind the defender will be there at the correct time. The same measurements will be taken but just against a different body part and/or alignment.

May be I am just missing the point but I do not see how changing the part of the anatomy or where it should be in relation to the 2nd last opposition will change anything while the technology is being used to measure it.

The focus should be on the technology used and defining when a ball is stuck and the margin allowed in the measurements. The margin can be defined by using a line of a certain thickness aligned centrally with the area being measured and any cross over is deemed as onside. Although, I think this is how it is done now. Once this is agreed, there can not be any argument with it. If you are measured as being offside by VAR, you are offside. It should be a straight forward decision compared to contact for hand ball, fouls etc.