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Transfers The Winter Transfer Thread - 25/26

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Herclueless said:
This is all very nice, and it can keep us Spurs fans all warm and cozy at night, but this particular discussion is in the TW thread and stems from someone pointing out that a specific player will have bigger clubs chasing him making us unlikely to sign him, the context of big club here is who a player is more likely to sign for, and so in this context they are bigger.
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No they are more likely win shit and pay higher wages which is what most players and agents go for. You do have players who will drop down teams to play for someone big being the main motivator which sometimes happens with United but mostly players go for ambition not fan size or history.

We as a club pay lower wages and less agent fees. That is more important than Spurs having a bigger past and match day fanbase than Man City.
 
Herclueless said:
This is all very nice, and it can keep us Spurs fans all warm and cozy at night, but this particular discussion is in the TW thread and stems from someone pointing out that a specific player will have bigger clubs chasing him making us unlikely to sign him, the context of big club here is who a player is more likely to sign for, and so in this context they are bigger.
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If you spend £1 billion on trying to Improve your Flat, at the end of the day its still going to be a Flat, yes they can attract better players as they have cheated and pumped billions into the club, however as far as bigger clubs go, I would say they are on Par with Fulham.

City , along with Chelsea won the lottery with their owners before FFP was even a thing, look at Newcastle now, the richest owners in the PL yet can't spend it all.

Tottenham is, and will always be the bigger club!
 
Tomo said:
No they are more likely win shit and pay higher wages which is what most players and agents go for. You do have players who will drop down teams to play for someone big being the main motivator which sometimes happens with United but mostly players go for ambition not fan size or history.

We as a club pay lower wages and less agent fees. That is more important than Spurs having a bigger past and match day fanbase than Man City.
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Nobodies talking about that though, like I said, it's the transfer thread, it's very obvious that the person who initially stated it was referring to pulling power in the transfer market.

Our status as a big club gives us a little extra over a club like Bournemouth, who may be ahead of us in the league, but historically have nothing on us.

Our exploits in 1961 do not however, have a cat in hell's chance of swaying a player to us over City.
 
Fattynomates said:
If you spend £1 billion on trying to Improve your Flat, at the end of the day its still going to be a Flat, yes they can attract better players as they have cheated and pumped billions into the club, however as far as bigger clubs go, I would say they are on Par with Fulham.

City , along with Chelsea won the lottery with their owners before FFP was even a thing, look at Newcastle now, the richest owners in the PL yet can't spend it all.

Tottenham is, and will always be the bigger club!
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Good for us!

Competing in the transfer market for a player though either of those sides will get their man 99/100 times.
 
Herclueless said:
Nobodies talking about that though, like I said, it's the transfer thread, it's very obvious that the person who initially stated it was referring to pulling power in the transfer market.

Our status as a big club gives us a little extra over a club like Bournemouth, who may be ahead of us in the league, but historically have nothing on us.

Our exploits in 1961 do not however, have a cat in hell's chance of swaying a player to us over City.
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No but money does and that is real pulling power. If you are a player you want wages and a chance to win things. Most players would play for Stoke if Stoke paid £500k a week and had an elite squad. Most players couldnt given a shit about who is bigger it’s whose owner has the money to pay me and buy me success, they ain’t going to worry if the stadium has only 20k of fans. There might be a few players who really want a big club but that is normally reserved for United or Real.

If we got bought out with our FFP we could bring in a load of big names with big wages and agent fees but that is not how the club operates.
 
Tomo said:
No but money does and that is real pulling power. If you are a player you want wages and a chance to win things. Most players would play for Stoke if Stoke paid £500k a week and had an elite squad. Most players couldnt given a shit about who is bigger it’s whose owner has the money to pay me and buy me success, they ain’t going to worry if the stadium has only 20k of fans. There might be a few players who really want a big club but that is normally reserved for United or Real.

If we got bought out with our FFP we could bring in a load of big names with big wages and agent fees but that is not how the club operates.
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That's nothing to do with us being nig though is it? We have that FFP wiggle room because our former chairman managed the club's wage budget and spending very cautiously, we now have a big money spinner in the stadium, which it is worth mentioning we do not fill every single game btw...

We're massive to ourselves because we can look way way back with pride, and cling to being first at something, but tbh I can't see many other fanbases going along with that. You get fans of clubs like Everton agreeing because it makes them feel better about themselves.

Sooner or later you have to accept the landscape has changed, our distant historical trophies become less valid to the conversation than what City have won since whenever they lucked out.

You don't have to agree, I don't have to like it either, but to almost everyone else outside of Spurs fans, they are bigger now.

I don't even care that much who is "bigger", Spurs are my club and to me it's the best in the world, a bunch of shitcunts they may be but they're my shitcunts, big, small, trophy winning or bereft of silverware, matters not...

Still, the only chance of us signing Semenyo is if City or Liverpool aren't in the running, I even reckon he'd go to either over us if we matched wages.
 
Herclueless said:
That's nothing to do with us being nig though is it? We have that FFP wiggle room because our former chairman managed the club's wage budget and spending very cautiously, we now have a big money spinner in the stadium, which it is worth mentioning we do not fill every single game btw...

We're massive to ourselves because we can look way way back with pride, and cling to being first at something, but tbh I can't see many other fanbases going along with that. You get fans of clubs like Everton agreeing because it makes them feel better about themselves.

Sooner or later you have to accept the landscape has changed, our distant historical trophies become less valid to the conversation than what City have won since whenever they lucked out.

You don't have to agree, I don't have to like it either, but to almost everyone else outside of Spurs fans, they are bigger now.

I don't even care that much who is "bigger", Spurs are my club and to me it's the best in the world, a bunch of shitcunts they may be but they're my shitcunts, big, small, trophy winning or bereft of silverware, matters not...

Still, the only chance of us signing Semenyo is if City or Liverpool aren't in the running, I even reckon he'd go to either over us if we matched wages.
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But none of that is bigger though that is more money. None of that is being able to fill out a 60k or 100k stadium. Nobody goes to City cos they are a big club they go because they have vast amounts of owner cash and use it to win things. There simply hasn’t been enough time for City to build a huge match going fanbase.

Our size does not stop us buying elite players, we certainly could have bought loads during the Poch era if we had more money. We dont have owners who invest and that is why Vicario is our keeper and not Raya, it’s why Kane isn’t here anymore, it’s why we mostly have 2nd level players and not 1st level players and that is what is off putting probably to the likes of Semenyo. He will know we won’t buy a squad to make his dreams come true but City or Chelsea or Newcastle might.

Until we spend big on wages/agent fees we will not get elite players and when we do they will come as has happened at every other club.
 
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Also one for the stereotype. As someone who works 2/3 days a week in Manchester the view that Manchester is where the City fans are and has no United fans is not right. It’s nearly all United in the office. There are nearly as many Bolton fans in this office in central Manchester and we are talking nearly 200 people. I have been surprised, I am finding far more Everton fans when I am in Liverpool than City fans in Manchester, feels like East Manchester is their home but the rest of Manchester is very United. The hate between United and Liverpool is very much similar to ours and Woolwich.
 
We badly need a midfielder who can screen the backline but also give us the quality to play through pressure and beat oppositions press.

Players who fit the idea but are probably unavailable are Tyler Morton at Lyon and Valentin Barca at Strasbourg both have the right profile.
Technically sharp and comfortable receiving under pressure, but have only recently signed at their respective clubs.

Mahdi Camara and Mamadou Sangare are good options, both bring drive and physical presence, though they are more suited to direct transitions than beating the press with subtle passing and technique.

Obviously Wharton at Palace and Anderson at Forest look a superb fit, yet the fees and dealing with their owners, make them near impossible.

My top realistic targets would be out of these three:-
- Angelo Stiller, Stuttgart: Composed, disciplined and a natural organiser in front of the defence. Keeps the ball moving and steps out of pressure with ease.

- Maximo Perrone, Como: Silky on the ball, progressive and able to find pockets that relieve pressure. He combines invention with work rate.

- Ederson, Atalanta: Intelligent, strong defensively and capable of threading passes that break lines. A more rounded midfielder than the pure destroyers we are often linked with.

We also need a left winger, someone who can stretch teams, carry the ball and add direct threat. I would love to see us look at Jean-Matteo Bahoya, Antonio Nusa, Nico Williams (likely unrealistic) or Semenyo, all of whom would give us much needed pace and spark on the flank.

I’d like to say a striker but think that’s more the summer.
 
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Beni said:
We badly need a midfielder who can screen the backline but also give us the quality to play through pressure and beat oppositions press.

Players who fit the idea but are probably unavailable are Tyler Morton at Lyon and Valentin Barca at Strasbourg both have the right profile.
Technically sharp and comfortable receiving under pressure, but have only recently signed at their respective clubs.

Mahdi Camara and Mamadou Sangare are good options, both bring drive and physical presence, though they are more suited to direct transitions than beating the press with subtle passing and technique.

Obviously Wharton at Palace and Anderson at Forest look a superb fit, yet the fees and dealing with their owners, make them near impossible.

My top realistic targets would be out of these three:-
- Angelo Stiller, Stuttgart: Composed, disciplined and a natural organiser in front of the defence. Keeps the ball moving and steps out of pressure with ease.

- Maximo Perrone, Como: Silky on the ball, progressive and able to find pockets that relieve pressure. He combines invention with work rate.

- Ederson, Atalanta:Intelligent, strong defensively and capable of threading passes that break lines. A more rounded midfielder than the pure destroyers we are often linked with.

We also need a left winger, someone who can stretch teams, carry the ball and add direct threat. I would love to see us look at Jean-Matteo Bahoya, Antonio Nusa, Nico Williams (likely unrealistic) or Semenyo, all of whom would give us much needed pace and spark on the flank.

I’d like to say a striker but think that’s more the summer.
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With Paratici Ederson might be doable. He always looks good when I watch him against decent sides so would be interesting if we could get him.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Just looks a season too early. Id rather Rayan Vitor, and much rather Ndiaye or Semenyo. And what about Adeyemi at Dortmund
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Rayan Vitor is, at 19, is still relatively untested and reminds me a bit of Luis Guilherme - full of flair and technical skills but struggling in the EPL. True though, Luis Guilherme, is still only 19, Rayan looks physically stronger than Luis Guilherme, though.
But he could turn into a top class attacker...
 
Beni said:
We badly need a midfielder who can screen the backline but also give us the quality to play through pressure and beat oppositions press.

Players who fit the idea but are probably unavailable are Tyler Morton at Lyon and Valentin Barca at Strasbourg both have the right profile.
Technically sharp and comfortable receiving under pressure, but have only recently signed at their respective clubs.
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Spurs have been linked to Morton...
www.caughtoffside.com

Tottenham and Everton keen on signing Tyler Morton

Tottenham Hotspur and Everton are interested in signing Tyler Morton from Lyon.
www.caughtoffside.com www.caughtoffside.com
 
Herclueless said:
This is all very nice, and it can keep us Spurs fans all warm and cozy at night, but this particular discussion is in the TW thread and stems from someone pointing out that a specific player will have bigger clubs chasing him making us unlikely to sign him, the context of big club here is who a player is more likely to sign for, and so in this context they are bigger.
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I'd say (disregarding the 115 rule breaches) they are presently a more attractive club to play for, pay higher wages, have a better manager, and more on-field success than Spurs, especially recently.

I'm not sure if any of that translates into bigger. I'd describe them as presently better at football, beginning after their takeover and huge cash injection.
 
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