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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?


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What confuses me is, before he was hired Frank would have had to sit in front of the Spurs board and explain how he would set up this team.

Did he really sell them on this style of play?

1. Long balls to lone striker
2. Slow build up play
3. Passes to feet only, don't play the ball into space behind defenders
4. Don't commit players into the opposition box
5. Don't shoot from distance
6. Don't try and catch the opposition on the break
7. No one touch football. Take 4 or 5 touches, and pass backwards
8. Only play down the wings, nothing down the middle

No team has ever won anything playing this style. It's how teams that are happy with mid table mediocracy play.


He probably said this kind of stuff at his interview;

“I know the ethos and the history of the club is massive on attacking football, and there is so much attacking talent in the squad," said Frank. "I’m very, very big on principles and what we do in the final third in terms of creating chances.

“I always say this one-liner: if you don’t take risks, you also take risks. So it’s important we take risks. Risk is you need to play forward.

"If you don’t risk the ball, you can’t create things. We need to be brave."
 
You’re losing all sense of context.

MW12-16

Poch dumped the senior players and went with Kane, Mason, Bentaleb and Dier amongst others
10 points from a possible 15
Franks Spurs 4 from 15


Then over the Xmas period including a statement win v Chelsea.
MW17 to MW24.
Played 8 Won 6 D1 L1.

Do you honestly see this squad doing something similar right now? 19 points from 24. I just can’t see it. We are not on the way up.

Liverpool H
Palace A
Brentford H
Sunderland H
Bournemouth A
West Ham H
Burnley A
City H

What’s your prediction on points from that run of matches?
I think we'll take 12 from that run of fixtures. That's an optimistic view, I admit, but I do think that's what we'll get.

I do concede that Poch was really starting to get things moving in the right direction at this point in 2014, and that Frank is yet to do so 11 years later.

I do think Frank will take longer to get things turned around, and part of that is the job is harder at the moment.

Poch came after AVB, so the squad was already prepped a good but for how he wanted to play. Poch also had Harry Kane coming to the fore, the likes of which Frank will likely never see - in any event, he's yet to get his #9 on the pitch. Poch had Eriksen, where Frank has an injured Maddison. Poch had Lloris, Frank has Vicario.

Poch had Walker and Rose, Frank has Porro and Spence/Udogie. Now that one is a bit revisionist because neither of those Poch era fullbacks were highly regarded at the time but Poch developed them (after this point of comparison, mind you) into the top fullback pair in the world for a brief time.

Poch had Vertonghen, Frank has Romero. People might think thats a toss up, or even that Romero is better. It isn't, and he isn't. Vertonghen was better.

Both had/have a midfield of JAGs (Just A Guy). Poch had Dembele, but he still hadn't figured out what to do with Dembele at this time.

Chadli/Townsend/Lamela v Odobert/Johnson/Simons. Former cost a whole lot less (though there were/are high expectations for Lamela and Simons). Arguably the latter are not even playing as well. And that's what Frank's job is, really - get players like that trio to take it up several levels. He needs some rope to do that, developing players takes some time, but he will live and die by how that trio and Udogie/Spence get on. If he can get them pointed in the right direction, he'll stay.
 
I don’t disagree that much of the team are mediocre and need upgrading.

But an absolute whopper was able to get most of these players to a 5th place league finish and a cup win.

I’m not having it that a “better” manager can’t get more out of them than they are currently showing. Unless he’s not better.
We got 5th place with Ange when we had no europe (and started 8-2-0).

We will likely have no europe next season, so have a shot at finishing higher in the league.

This squad has no chance of competing in Europe and the PL.
 
He probably said this kind of stuff at his interview;

“I know the ethos and the history of the club is massive on attacking football, and there is so much attacking talent in the squad," said Frank. "I’m very, very big on principles and what we do in the final third in terms of creating chances.

“I always say this one-liner: if you don’t take risks, you also take risks. So it’s important we take risks. Risk is you need to play forward.

"If you don’t risk the ball, you can’t create things. We need to be brave."
He lied. I liked his defensive approach initially as that was an easy and quick fix from last season. Focus on improving our defence and set peices -2 areas we were notoriously weak in! That was august and great start. Easy win for Frank and he didn't miss. But what was it. He has been like a rabbit in the headlights ever since trying to find a balance between defence and attack. He just looks so out of his depth. He hit his ceiling at Brentford and the amazing thing is Brentford are doing just as good this season without him and all his staff even though they sold Norgaard, Mbeumo and Wissa in the Summer too! Frank was an overrated coach all along and he's been totally found out at this level
 
Hot take - Football managers should have 6 month probation period like any other job.
Great take! I'm amazed this isn't a thing for top clubs. Probably because in most cases the moving manager would not agree to come if the probation period existed - but do you want to hire someone who's afraid he could be doing a very bad job and get sacked after 6 months?

It would have saved us millions on Nuno and now Frank!
 
Um... we need cm's who can get the ball through midfield to strikers first.

Like... it's not like we're battering the xG door down and missing a cutting edge. We can't even get the meat near the fucking knife to be cut at all!
Well said. Going back a few seasons, what I liked about de Zerbi's Brighton teams was the way they could quickly get out of their own end and into attacking positions. As you point out, that's a big weakness for Spurs.
 
And why say it like a cunt?
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