True is Andrew’s doing any worse than Frank in the role esp having lost their best two forwards?
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This is not pro or anti Frank, but It's amazing how the media have picked up on 'Frank's Woes' at Spurs......... But it seems like Eddie Howe is getting a free pass.
He's below us in the table with an arguably much stronger squad, but looks like he's just going to be given as much time as he needs?
He's below us in the table with an arguably much stronger squad, but looks like he's just going to be given as much time as he needs?
Media lives of drama. If there is none, they'll create it.
My take on the situation is that Frank has not been perfect. But we have an imperfect team as well with key players out for long time. Cycling the manager will give perhaps a short term boost, but won't solve that we need to field 11 good players.
We have one of the youngest squats in the league, I heard. That shows. Good potential, but lack of PL experience.
We've played three matches in a row with quite similar formations and starting lineup. Two good performances followed by a game where we gave away cheap goals and could not make 5 meter passes.
I think most supporters were optimistic seeing the 11 starters before the latest match, but we - and Frank - were in for a disappointing display.
Our lowest levels are simply too low. I think it is part quality and part mentally - neither can be resolved overnight or in the short term by replacing Frank in my opinion.
And, on a side note: crying out for a manager who cannot win with a billion euro team like Madrid - how the hell do you reason that?
Have to be frank but our manager is mediocre as was Ange.
Why is his football so absolutely shite?
It shouldn't take this long to see something positive for the future.
He's had 6 months to show his methods and all I can see that he's coached is long balls up to richarlison, long throw ins, and not defending the edge of your box for whatever reason.
It shouldn't take this long to see something positive for the future.
He's had 6 months to show his methods and all I can see that he's coached is long balls up to richarlison, long throw ins, and not defending the edge of your box for whatever reason.
Won 12 Drawn 3 Lost 2. Second in the league by 4 points.
It's hardly a case of ''cannot win''.
We're a bigger club. With a bigger global fanbase attracting far more global scrutiny. Expectations are higher.
The media are always gonna focus on more on Spurs than a club like Newcastle. And rightly so.
As a comparison, Slots woes were attracting far more attention than Frank's a couple of weeks ago
It really isn't difficult to understand
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I use skybet, and theyve just dropped the "next manager to be sacked" market altogether, it was there last night
But since last night Ive seen a ramp up in rumours around Maresca and Amorin as well (only twitter, but it doesnt have to be real, just noisy to affect the betting) and think its as likely suspended for that as anything to do with Frank
Club need to make a very quick and unfortunately expensive decision about Frank.
It won't work. Nothing is in his favour and 1 wretched PL win in 9 games, and with hard games ahead, is zero cause for optimism.
Whatever the question was he appears not to be the answer.
If Frank is now being seen by myopic fans as worse than a bloke who was shown in a very short time at Forest as being a good talker but little else, he really can't survive.
It won't work. Nothing is in his favour and 1 wretched PL win in 9 games, and with hard games ahead, is zero cause for optimism.
Whatever the question was he appears not to be the answer.
If Frank is now being seen by myopic fans as worse than a bloke who was shown in a very short time at Forest as being a good talker but little else, he really can't survive.
Am I wrong for thinking we just have to absorb that we're back to being a midtable club. I mean really accept it because losing 3-0 away at sides like Forest was standard back in the day and as far as I can see our squad is bang average just like back then. I don't want to accept it, but it just looks objectively true. And seems every manager who comes here 'fails' because the measure of success is beyond thr capability of the players.
Not exactly, back when we truly were a mid table club , financially we were mid table and so far behind United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Woolwich
Now as we all know the club it's extremely financially rich and should under no circumstances be any lower than 6th most seasons with our spending power
Good point re spending power and time will tell if enic are changing their ways. For now at least, we have a squad suited for midtable i think, unfortunately.
Not to absolve Frank of any blame btw. But it just happens with every manager. I'm jaded really.
Good post, and maybe.
I think our set of players, should never play as badly as they did on Sunday, and a record of 1 win in 9 games is unacceptable by any metric of decency.
And crucially being mid-table is okay if that's the expectation, based on your stadium, your average crowd, and the size of your endorsements.
We need to see better, and much as maybe we don't have the highest grade of players, a very good manager gets the maximum out of the resources available to him.
Frank is falling far short at present. Too far in my opinion.
Back to the Redknaap days we still have some odd games of thrashing Wigan or Swansea for fun. Granted we had Modric and the emergence of Bale then, but we weren't exactly top 4 either. There were still games we could have some excitement of games where we scored outrageously good goals. Last season wasn't nice, but this season we are totally boring.. We really can lose to any teams and got battered. A total disgrace. What bravery and risk taking.. Fuck Frank.
Different circumstances really, howe has already done tremendous work at Newcastle getting them back into CL a couple times and winning their first trophy in a million years.
I suspect that's why the media isn't on his back
You'd normally expect a manager's tenure to go like a bell-shaped curve in terms of performances: Things start slow, gradually improve before reaching to a peak, stay there for a while before start regressing until reaching to a level where sacking becomes inevitable. Pochettino's tenure went almost exactly like that for example: That 3-0 defeat against Brighton in early 19/20 where Lloris got injured was the ultimate death throes of a manager's tenure, even though there were also others before it.
The issue with Frank is that he has already had at least half a dozen of these performances in less than half a season:
Games like that 2-2 draw with Brighton where there were positives to cling on to are few and far between. When we fail to win, which is more often than not these days after a promising start result-wise, we are utterly hopeless.
The issue with Frank is that he has already had at least half a dozen of these performances in less than half a season:
- Bournemouth
- Chelsea
- Wolves
- Woolwich
- Fulham
- Monaco
- Bodo
Games like that 2-2 draw with Brighton where there were positives to cling on to are few and far between. When we fail to win, which is more often than not these days after a promising start result-wise, we are utterly hopeless.
We should be top 5. That's where our revenue is. Yes, some years 2nd, some years 7th. But average in top 5.
We have no excuses for not having a wage bill in line with our financial peers. Simon Jordan can bang on about banking covenants all he likes, but the Louis family can easily afford what I am suggesting. Not least because they have made a £2bn+ profit on the club.
Yea, I see both sides of that argument. But one thing is spending power and other things are actual spending quantity and quality.
Quantity has been moderate (quite significant transfer fees paid; at the same time salary levels much lower than for main competitors) and quality has been absolutely fucking shit. We've had absolute no squad planning and basically just taking erratic punts without any structure. Emphasized best by buying out Tel without him proving his value nor having need for another player in this position.
It won’t work and to continue and hoping will change is stupidity. I actually think the end is very close for him because the stadium will get emptier. It takes me 7 and a half hours to get to the stadium by car and for what I’m watching now I’m not doing that anymore. Away games in the north of England are bearable but I never went to Newcastle two weeks ago
Okay, all that aside and not disagreeing, that we need to be doing more to get even better players, there is no excuse for what we are seeing.
Put in very simple terms, there are teams with lesser resources who are arguzbly exceeeding expectation, so if the equation, imperfect as it is, that expenditure should relate to performance and PL position, we are still falling short.
It's massively disappointing and a bit of a shock (to me at least), but Frank is adding next to nothing.