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Manager Thomas Frank
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Not too bothered by what’s being saidHe says the situation will take time to repair, then he says he's standing on the shoulders of Postecoglou, and building on that (which I assume means building on the foundations laid by Postecoglou) .
''Frank added: “The only thing I can say is Ange is a legend and always will be. He won a massive trophy; he was a big part of that, and we all stand on the shoulders of others. I stand on the shoulders of Ange, and now I’m trying to build on that.”
So if he needs to fix the team which he says will take time, he must be referring to fixing the mess that Postecoglou had made, but then why is he standing on the shoulders of someone who's made such a mess that will take so long to fix?
Thomas Frank calls for Ange Postecoglou return as Tottenham fans call for change
Thomas Frank has said something interesting about Ange Postecoglou as calls for the Tottenham boss to be sacked continue to grow louder.www.spurs-web.com
It’s what I’m seeing that’s distressing
I tend to flip-flop on the "Do I care what the manager says in pressers" question
Generally, like you, Im more interested in whats actually happening rather than media soundbites
However, there are times where the press conferences and interviews start to become telling. You get a sense of a managers state of mind, if theyre under pressure etc..
With Frank, at the minute, when I hear him speak it seems disconnected from reality. Just as the team seems disconnected from coaching/training/motivation/tactics...
And so its beginning to feel relevant to listen to what he is saying.
All this "it takes time" stuff is pressure telling in him imo, its asking for patience. And right now he seems to fawn over every other manager/opponent - when that stops you know he feels he's in trouble
Some managers just suit Tottenham and in a kind of way get us . I loved burkinshaw , Pleat ( 86-87) , Jol , Redknapp , Poch . They knew what we wanted , they played with flair . The ramos , Nuno , Gerry Francis , George Graham , Frank , they’re not what we’re about , we need to be entertained , need a reason to want to go and watch us even if it’s a Ginola , at the moment I don’t even want to watch us on tv , I almost find it embarrassing how bad we are . We have got an identity but we don’t recruit the right managers / players . We are supporters that gave our team a standing ovation when we lost 4-1 to Chelsea at home , Ange had the right idea he just didn’t know how to balance it . I agree there are not many options out there but I’d Get the Bournemouth manager in , build him the squad that can sustain 3 games a week and see how we go .
Yep how i miss those days mate
All of this is true, but...
So far there's little to get excited about with this "system". I'm not watching us thinking we'll be cooking once injured players return.
I think Solanke coming back from injury and getting up to speed will give us a bit better retention up top but is he going to improve the midfield, or the overall team performance? I don't think so.
Kulusevski will give us another attacking option, is he going to play on the left where we are particularly weak? No history of it. Is he going to solve our lack of through balls? I don't see it.
Maddison is pretty much out for the season, he could solve some of our major issues but will he ever be back to his best? Does he fit in a Frank side in any case?
There's not much to suggest at the minute that he and his staff are doing a decent job but being let down by the quality of player.
Why is his football so absolutely shite?
It shouldn't take this long to see something positive for the future.
He's had 6 months to show his methods and all I can see that he's coached is long balls up to richarlison, long throw ins, and not defending the edge of your box for whatever reason.
Less than a month ago you were one of the voices saying give him till next summer at least.
Discussing sacking him was a ridiculous thing to do?
What changed your mind that much??
After the first two games our PPG has remained pretty consistent.
Lot of people have done a full 360 in days rather than months with Frank out. Not just you.
Yep, it's funny how humans can sometimes change their opinions isn't it?
Zero improvement in underlying metrics, incredibly cowardly substitutions , players showing no respect for him, consistent inability to show any type of coached attacking ability, over reliance on useless long throw ins, conceding the same type of goal each week with zero signs of improvement, zero improvement in any of the younger players or any player, just regression.
Some of the worst statistics in the league for chances created and unforced errors
Take your pick really why my opinion has shifted
Sure but either the players are totally ignoring his instructions or he's been bullshitting.
“We’ll work every day to make magic moments for the fans” – Thomas Frank
Thomas Frank spoke of an ‘extraordinary’ feeling in being named our Men’s First Team Head Coach.
www.tottenhamhotspur.com
– Thomas Frank
“I know the ethos and the history of the club is massive on attacking football, and there is so much attacking talent in the squad," said Frank. "I’m very, very big on principles and what we do in the final third in terms of creating chances.
“I always say this one-liner: if you don’t take risks, you also take risks. So it’s important we take risks. Risk is you need to play forward.
"If you don’t risk the ball, you can’t create things. We need to be brave."
It's on the video via that link to the club's official website.
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We aren’t paying mid table prices though, are we.
Paying to dine at the top table whilst being presented with a horse’s trough.
We could ponder on whether or not we're in fact mid-table and how high Frank could reasonably be expected to take us with these players in general if he got off the ground to begin with. He hasn't.
It's not doom-mongering to suggest that a serious relegation battle would be awaiting us if something happened to Kudus, Romero and another player or two: We're 11th and 2 points off 15th as it is, and metrics still indicate that we're playing worse than that: 17th in xG, 14th in xGA, 16th in xGD, 16th in shots and shots on target, 14th in shots allowed on target.
Any mentioning of Brentford or Keith Andrews in this thread was once considered profane ,but it's unavoidable at this stage: Brentford lost not only Frank but also two key players in Mbuemo and Wissa, and currently have a team where a 35 year old Jordan Henderson plays in every game. Yet they look on par with us, which tells me that even this criticism of Frank of him making us Brentford 2.0 is flattering him. We're not even that.
What are we doing then?
It's not doom-mongering to suggest that a serious relegation battle would be awaiting us if something happened to Kudus, Romero and another player or two: We're 11th and 2 points off 15th as it is, and metrics still indicate that we're playing worse than that: 17th in xG, 14th in xGA, 16th in xGD, 16th in shots and shots on target, 14th in shots allowed on target.
Any mentioning of Brentford or Keith Andrews in this thread was once considered profane ,but it's unavoidable at this stage: Brentford lost not only Frank but also two key players in Mbuemo and Wissa, and currently have a team where a 35 year old Jordan Henderson plays in every game. Yet they look on par with us, which tells me that even this criticism of Frank of him making us Brentford 2.0 is flattering him. We're not even that.
What are we doing then?
Many managers are at a high level, otherwise they would never have been elected. If you want change, it takes time and faith. If you keep firing the manager, you give the power to the players. If you want change, give the power to the manager, show patience, set a direction and the players have to adjust, fight and perform. Then the feeling of a team, a club, arises. If you don't want this, continue as you have been doing for decades
This only works if you get the right manager, not just any manager.
Ive no real animosity or anything to Frank, I do think he has proven himself a good manager at Brentford - but Ive reached the conlcusion he just isnt Spurs, he isnt the right manager for us.
Because we are still a far bigger club than Newcastle.
I keep referring to that interview. People should go watch it again to listen to the bile coming out of vinai’s mouth that Frank was the overwhelming choice and had better credentials to be spurs manager than say glassner, de zirbi or a host of other managers.
Not that bang average pls.
Tbh they are still in carling cup, in Europe and level on points with us.
The initial fears surrounding Frank, and there weren't a huge amount, was how he'd adjust to the demands of a fan base who aren't Brentford's. That triple substitution at the weekend was telling; he's retained a small time mentality. The embryonic seeds of TMC (Tottenham Manager Complex) are already starting to sprout, and the players look mostly disinterested. Feels like we're here, again, where we're either saying "give him time" or "can't give him money to spend when he'll be gone soon"
We are worse off than at this point last season in almost every metric; and had been playing for a month or so without Micky and Romero. We weren’t yet overwhelmed with fixture congestion (although we were still in the carabao cup) and most of us already though Ange was done then.
If he’s doing worse than Ange, with no signs of real improvement then what the fuck ENIC.