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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?


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Who knows what its going to take for Frank to go after the Ange situation.
Though I would prefer for Frank to coach us into creating more chances and winning games instead of the feeling of inevitability at the moment.
I think if we lose our next three, that will probably be what it takes in my opinion.
Said it before and I'll say it again, I really don't want us to sack yet another manager and look like the PL version of Watford.

Frank has made mistakes and his style of play is atrocious, but he's got the impossible job by definition...reports into a board of clueless pricks (incl an ex-Goon) who don't know zilch about football, and has to work with a squad full of lazy, selfish, petulant, overrated morons.

Fergie/Pep/Klopp/friggin Wenger/Carlo...none of them would succeed here, they too would be going into the fight with both hands tied behind their back & blindfolded.

Until everything changes, nothing changes.
 

Notice any similarities with us....... History repeating itself

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Going into his sophomore year at Brøndby, which also happened to be the season that the club would celebrate its 50th anniversary, expectations grew. The young players now had a year under the belt as first-teamers, and Jan Bech Andersen splurged in the transfer window.

Brøndby broke the club’s transfer record when Daniel Agger returned home from Liverpool to finish his career, and with him came club legend Johan Elmander, who was a part of the 2004/05 double-winning squad under Michael Laudrup. Officially, the goal was to finish in the top three, but internally, the expensive, big-name signings meant that the team should challenge for the title.

The significant investment in the squad didn’t help much on the pitch, though. Brøndby were easily dismantled during Europa League qualification by a skilled Club Brugge side that won 5-0 on aggregate. At home, things weren’t much better.

Although Brøndby enjoyed an early-season victory at home against København, inconsistent results were commonplace. The team managed to play three games against newly-promoted Hobro IK, a semi-professional outfit with no prior Superliga experience, without winning. It negated all the good work against their biggest rivals.

Whilst it was clear that Frank wanted to control possession with his 4-2-3-1 formation, Brøndby barely created any chances. Even against the worse teams in the league, it was a fight to score goals, and when it happened, it often seemed like it was more down to the individual class of the players rather than the strategy working as intended.

On the sidelines, Frank often looked helpless, and while he was generally well-liked amongst the fans because of his communication skills and modern leadership style, cracks began appearing in the foundations.

On the Sydsiden Stand, home of the most dedicated and vocal fans, the optimistic and cheerful Brøndby chants were slowly exchanged in favour of more pessimistic and negative tomes from the club’s tumultuous period of fighting relegation a few years earlier. Questions were raised about Frank’s ability to lead a big club like Brøndby and to motivate the experienced stars.


These questions became even louder during the winter break when Brøndby played a friendly against Hoffenheim in Germany. The Danes lost 7-0, while the press revealed that Frank needed advice from Agger on how to handle the embarrassment and punish the team, which damaged his standing among the players.

After Agger retired, he spoke about the discussion he had with Frank on that day in Germany. ‘You know that we have spoken about consequences and those things. So what are you going to do now?’ he asked Frank. “We lost 7-0 and a lot of guys didn’t perform well enough. Maybe we aren’t in shape, but it was also mentally that we were wrong.”

Agger suggested that Frank should call the players back to the training pitch during the upcoming days off. Frank was hesitant to follow the advice, seemingly unsure about demanding too much, to which Agger responded: “Of course you can. It is the only way people will understand. If I was coach, I would tell the players that they should show up in the morning. Only bring running shoes and we’ll go to the Brøndby woods.”

Frank eventually followed the advice from his captain, but his soft style was not well-liked among the players, which Agger later spoke about. “As a person I really liked Thomas Frank, but as a coach, he wasn’t the one I liked the most,” Daniel Agger said in 2017 when asked by Ekstra Bladet. “I am from the old school, where a football team has to be built around discipline and a hierarchy, but it wasn’t like that at all when I returned to Brøndby,” he recalled.

Brøndby went to finish third in the league, officially meeting the goal set out before the season, but it wasn’t in an impressive manor. The proud club finished 16 points behind FC Midtjylland and managed just 43 goals in 33 league games."
So .....your saying we should get Daniel Agger?

dumb GIF
 
The shame of it all, is it only would've needed Poch to take ONE domestic Cup or Europa League campIngn seriously enough to win it, to not make his time here as frustratingly trophyless as it had to be!
The fact THAT 2016-19 TEAM didn't win anything is bordering on criminal negligence!

People used to see the Europa as a bit of a joke, and if Poch thought the same the very least he could have done is Redknapp it (field academy players to blood them through).
It's one of the key reasons why Kane, Townsend etc got a go in the team.

Playing Son at LWB in a semi final was dumb and sometimes it seemed like he saw no value in just winning something, anything, when that was what would have probably catalysed success
 
People used to see the Europa as a bit of a joke, and if Poch thought the same the very least he could have done is Redknapp it (field academy players to blood them through).
It's one of the key reasons why Kane, Townsend etc got a go in the team.

Playing Son at LWB in a semi final was dumb and sometimes it seemed like he saw no value in just winning something, anything, when that was what would have probably catalysed success
I make you 100% correct its the reverse of Ange. Poch had done the work we were a cohesive nasty attacking dominating team. Full of competitors Dier could mix it, Rose Doncaster ignorant, Lamel dark arts master Dembele war Hulk, Kane tough as it gets, Walker fitness of an Asgaurdian. Just getting over the line breeds in the winning culture. The other way what we have now is complacent clowns failing to acknowledge how lucky they got thinking they have arrived and fully acclimated to losing over 20.games a season.
 
The shame of it all, is it only would've needed Poch to take ONE domestic Cup or Europa League campIngn seriously enough to win it, to not make his time here as frustratingly trophyless as it had to be!
The fact THAT 2016-19 TEAM didn't win anything is bordering on criminal negligence!
The no-trophy is on the board & owners, and solely on them. Poch and that squad did everything in their power, they just needed that extra bit of help...but it never came.
 
My worry with Frank is he seems very normal when it comes to personality.

He isn’t a psycho like Pep or Klopp, a total cunt like Arteta, deluded like Ange. He is just very normal and realistic. That is fine for analysis but a coach needs that bite, the players should be scared or inspired. I don’t get that sense they are. What is the dream. With Ange it was a trophy, with Poch domination, what’s Frank’s dream.
That's a very interesting take, I've never really thought of that.

He's also massively uninspiring. players are bound to be doubting the style of play.

De Zerbi is an interesting shout, Tony Bloom said one morning at Brighton the coffee machine wasn't working and De Zerbi practically totaled the whole room! Mafia stlye, like. he's crazy

great tactician though......
 
I make you 100% correct its the reverse of Ange. Poch had done the work we were a cohesive nasty attacking dominating team. Full of competitors Dier could mix it, Rose Doncaster ignorant, Lamel dark arts master Dembele war Hulk, Kane tough as it gets, Walker fitness of an Asgaurdian. Just getting over the line breeds in the winning culture. The other way what we have now is complacent clowns failing to acknowledge how lucky they got thinking they have arrived and fully acclimated to losing over 20.games a season.

Yeah it's damaging really.

I guess it's like we had a squad that just needed to know how to get over the line, whereas last season was awful defending, awful attacking, just really scruffy stuff, who kind of got validation that it was how you win things. Quite harmful, especially for the fanbase as some are like "BrInG bAcK aNgE" as if it was actually some kind of culmination of success
 
Said it before and I'll say it again, I really don't want us to sack yet another manager and look like the PL version of Watford.

Frank has made mistakes and his style of play is atrocious, but he's got the impossible job by definition...reports into a board of clueless pricks (incl an ex-Goon) who don't know zilch about football, and has to work with a squad full of lazy, selfish, petulant, overrated morons.

Fergie/Pep/Klopp/friggin Wenger/Carlo...none of them would succeed here, they too would be going into the fight with both hands tied behind their back & blindfolded.

Until everything changes, nothing changes.
I really hate this outlook.

You sack and keep sacking until we land on the right guy.

What you’re proposing is that we stay married to Frank for the sake of some non-existent kids!

His outlook is utter crap. He just not a Spurs gaffer and that’s ok.
 
People used to see the Europa as a bit of a joke, and if Poch thought the same the very least he could have done is Redknapp it (field academy players to blood them through).
It's one of the key reasons why Kane, Townsend etc got a go in the team.

Playing Son at LWB in a semi final was dumb and sometimes it seemed like he saw no value in just winning something, anything, when that was what would have probably catalysed success
I wish he HAD'VE taken it more seriously!
The no-trophy is on the board & owners, and solely on them. Poch and that squad did everything in their power, they just needed that extra bit of help...but it never came.
Playing Vorm ahead of Lloris in the FA Cup Semi Final against Man Utd certainly wasn't on the board
... That was single handedly Poch declaring it wasn't that important to him to win the Cup...

I personally wouldn't have minded winning it myself!
 
I wish he HAD'VE taken it more seriously!

Playing Vorm ahead of Lloris in the FA Cup Semi Final against Man Utd certainly wasn't on the board
... That was single handedly Poch declaring it wasn't that important to him to win the Cup...

I personally wouldn't have minded winning it myself!
I'm not saying Poch didn't make mistakes or that the players were blameless either.

But 99% is on the decision-makers.
 
The mistake we fell into was the one Chelsea fell into with Potter, which is assuming that you can take the coach out of the model and assume he can change the model to fit more talented players to deliver a different style of football with different results.
How do managers get to be top managers at big clubs without first doing well at smaller clubs? I suppose the other route is to be an assistant manager and to move up from there.

Isn't it likely that whoever the next manager is will have started managing smaller clubs that have done relatively well on a low budget?
 
Yeah it's damaging really.

I guess it's like we had a squad that just needed to know how to get over the line, whereas last season was awful defending, awful attacking, just really scruffy stuff, who kind of got validation that it was how you win things. Quite harmful, especially for the fanbase as some are like "BrInG bAcK aNgE" as if it was actually some kind of culmination of success
Exactly. He's even fooled a fair chunk of the fans into thinking we were on to something. We were going the other way fast with the destination of where we are now. Do you recall the story Rose tells about going out for dinner with Lamela and Eric saying when Rose said Leicester were flying " My freind we are are going to win the league ". They believed it so much they genuinely were not focused on the cups. Rose Lamela Dier and Kane Hugo Dembele... we lose anytime like the 22 games we did...them men are throwing hands in the dressing room.
 
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I can guarantee you that that has been mischievously framed. lol

Clue is lack of actual quotes.
I've read it before, it's from this website, there are some quotes there.


I think they're referring to this interview on the video on the official club website, because it's liked in the article.

 
Exactly. He's even fooled a fair chunk of the fans into thinking we were on to something. We were going the other way fast with the destination of where we are now. Do you recall the story Rose tells about going out for dinner with Lamela and Eric saying when Rose said Leicester were flying " My freind we are are going to win the league ". They believed it so much they genuinely were not focused on the cups. Rose Lamela Dier and Kane Hugo Dembele... we lose anytime like the 22 games we did...then men are throwing hands in the dressing room.

tbf there were best mates close to punch ups in the Mourinho era. It feels like all of 'fight to win' has gone and its 'fighting over blame' now
 
Exactly. He's even fooled a fair chunk of the fans into thinking we were on to something. We were going the other way fast with the destination of where we are now. Do you recall the story Rose tells about going out for dinner with Lamela and Eric saying when Rose said Leicester were flying " My freind we are are going to win the league ". They believed it so much they genuinely were not focused on the cups. Rose Lamela Dier and Kane Hugo Dembele... we lose anytime like the 22 games we did...then men are throwing hands in the dressing room.
Starting to sound like barry and eddie hearn imo. Talks a good game but full of bullshit.
 
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