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Manager Thomas Frank

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Aphex said:
I'm a clown for thinking Ange was a useless fraud who deserved the sack?

I'm not making noises. I am just assessing as I see it, as I always do. I was right about Ange and I went early on him.
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But you weren't "right about Ange". I've just shown you the data that proves you wrong. With his Back 5 Postecoglou was a Top 6 league result and won a European trophy. That's just the facts.

All you achieved by "going early on him" was to poison the well of joy that should have been filled with that Trophy. Which is why you're as bitter, twisted, soulless, depressing, boring, monotonous NOW as you were all of last season. I genuinely feel sorry for people like you - but then I have to read your posts and think "fuck it - they deserve it".

Just as Postecoglou's 2nd season was destroyed by injury (as clearly shown by the data you refuse to address), Frank's initial tenure is being ravaged by injury at the other end. This is on top of the simple fact that - Back 5 aside - our squad is midtable at best.

But you'll just keeping on clowning on, always wondering why the grass never seems to be getting greener despite the managers you keep sacking. The merry-go-round of futility just keeps turning.

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This pejorative argument of turning on the managers is never made on the behalf of any player curiously enough.

No one goes out there and tries to shield, let's say, Richarlison from criticism by claiming that people would turn on the next striker as well. Or nobody tries to shield Simons, someone who arrived even later than Frank, by claiming axiomatically that any negative judgment should be reserved until X,Y,Z happened. Instead people just discuss each player's (de)merits based on what they've seen up until that point.

Yet such a routine procedure is apparently a cardinal sin when it comes to managers, since they're some sort of sacred cows before whom all of us should be bowing in veneration. If you say so I guess.
 
Frank was not the man for the job. We should have pushed for Glasner. I know we are only a handful of matches into the season and we have injuries but are Premiership teams not supposed to have cover for these eventualities. A blind man on a galloping horse could see how things are going. Woolwich will win the league at a canter and why, because they have a manager who wants to win and signed the players who want to win. Where is our goalscorers, our central defender. Wake up and smell the coffee, our manager is the wrong person and 80% of our players are either shit or have no pride. Rant over.
 
Socrates said:
Frank was not the man for the job. We should have pushed for Glasner. I know we are only a handful of matches into the season and we have injuries but are Premiership teams not supposed to have cover for these eventualities. A blind man on a galloping horse could see how things are going. Woolwich will win the league at a canter and why, because they have a manager who wants to win and signed the players who want to win. Where is our goalscorers, our central defender. Wake up and smell the coffee, our manager is the wrong person and 80% of our players are either shit or have no pride. Rant over.
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I prefer 2pac's rant against Biggie tbh.
 
Phomesy said:
But you weren't "right about Ange". I've just shown you the data that proves you wrong. With his Back 5 Postecoglou was a Top 6 league result and won a European trophy. That's just the facts.

All you achieved by "going early on him" was to poison the well of joy that should have been filled with that Trophy. Which is why you're as bitter, twisted, soulless, depressing, boring, monotonous NOW as you were all of last season. I genuinely feel sorry for people like you - but then I have to read your posts and think "fuck it - they deserve it".

Just as Postecoglou's 2nd season was destroyed by injury (as clearly shown by the data you refuse to address), Frank's initial tenure is being ravaged by injury at the other end. This is on top of the simple fact that - Back 5 aside - our squad is midtable at best.

But you'll just keeping on clowning on, always wondering why the grass never seems to be getting greener despite the managers you keep sacking. The merry-go-round of futility just keeps turning.

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LOL. I was right about Ange being useless. It's not about injuries, that isn't why he failed. You are wrong. It was his actual naive tactics and system he played, well it wasn't really a system as there was no structure at all. Teams were ever only 2 passes before they were running at our defence. Our CBs had to make a million sprints a game back towards their own goal, it's why VDVs hamstrings kept going. Ange had no idea how to keep a clean sheet or produce consistent results in the PL.

In summary, I was right about Ange, and nothing you can say about it will change that. Just deal with it. You and the pro Ange bums were shown up, and were shown up again when he disgraced himself at Forest. He's a fucking charlatan.

I am not soulless, twisted or bitter at all. I am simply apathetic towards Spurs at the moment as there is very little to be excited about. Many fans feel the same judging by the boos last night.

But I am extremely happy that Ange is not our manager anymore and that's sad for you.
 
Harrier said:
I think you need to rewatch it. It’s clearly not healed if the same ligament pings so soon after!
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Not according to the surgeon, unless of course you know better.
Or are you suggesting that Frank played an injured player?
Harrier said:
I’m sure there were comments at the time that Solanke had been working through the injury for some time with the words persistent, ongoing etc. used.
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Happened in August again under Franks watch.
Harrier said:
So Ange’s tactics had nothing to do with prolific number of hamstring injuries suffered? Okkkkkk! 😂
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Are you medically trained to make this conclusion or did you just read it online somewhere?

Don't like Ange fine but blaming him for injuries is pathetic.
 
Aphex said:
I woke up this morning livid about last night and I have to say, I am starting to get concerned about Frank.

10 games in, and we've put in quite a few stinking performances at home. Yesterday being the worst. It's a disgrace to play like that in a London derby at home to Chelsea. As others have said, it was the lack of fight, aggression and a plan which was so shocking. We looked devoid of ideas and utterly clueless.

Vitor Periera has just been sacked by Wolves, and they nearly fucking beat us at home if not for a last minute equaliser. They have lost all their other games bar one.

Bournemouth at home was diabolical. Villa wasn't great, not terrible but we still lost. Even the Burnley win wasn't comprehensive and they gave us some trouble.

It's one thing having injuries, which is why I am saying we need to give Frank time. But what is the excuse under a new manager to play like we did last night? and at home generally? I'm not seeing an identity.

We are better at set pieces and more organised but that's about it.

We are still gifting numerous chances to the opposition as we saw the last few games and we look utterly clueless going forward and in possession.

Frank will get more time, but he needs to start showing something soon.

It only took me about this amount of time under Ange to start questioning him and quickly worked out he was out of his depth and a complete clown.

I don't think Frank is a clown. I do wonder if he might be out of his depth at a club like ours, and I do wonder if he is the wrong fit for us as a club. I don't know, but the more I see, the more I don't like and am questioning his fit.

It's also not reassuring to see Brentford continue doing quite well under a novice manager without Frank and his coaching staff. Hopefully this isn't a Potter Brighton/Chelsea situation but I fear it might be.

We have some tough fixtures coming up but it really is imperative we win against Copenhagen and we really need to do it with some good football. A win will ease the pressure a bit, but it would be much easier to be optimistic if we see soem good football.

I have been willing to give Frank the benefit of the doubt with such bad injuries, but I look at yesterday and I think, would Kulu and Solanke have made a difference? No I don't think they would. Would Maddison have made a difference? He's not back for a season anyway but no, he was playing many times for us last season when we stunk the place out. Injured players always become world class when they are injured, and as soon as they come back, people realise they aren't that good and don't have the impact people thought they would.

We've picked up some points and sit 4th, but the league is tight, and if we continue as we are, we will drop like a stone.

It's really concerning with our home form, it's relegation standard over a full season of games. If our away form drops off we could be in trouble.
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I do think Frank is out of his depth at a club like us.

Nuno moments, but honestly even Nuno knew Tottenham way of play is attacking football - Frank doesn't.

At the very least, be good at counter attacking like Mourinho if we are to be pragmatically defensive.
 
Socrates said:
Frank was not the man for the job. We should have pushed for Glasner. I know we are only a handful of matches into the season and we have injuries but are Premiership teams not supposed to have cover for these eventualities. A blind man on a galloping horse could see how things are going. Woolwich will win the league at a canter and why, because they have a manager who wants to win and signed the players who want to win. Where is our goalscorers, our central defender. Wake up and smell the coffee, our manager is the wrong person and 80% of our players are either shit or have no pride. Rant over.
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I would have preferred Galsner as well and thought he was the obvious candidate. It's early days, but very worried about the inability to get a midfield to function as an attacking force and the fact we are so reliant on set pieces.
 
Bubs said:
Don't like Ange fine but blaming him for injuries is pathetic.
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Footballer recovering from partial ACL tear, suffers full tear to the same ligament within the first couple of weeks back on the grass. Yeah there’s no connection is there?! 😂 It makes sense when you see how innocuous the movement was that caused the full tear.

Search ‘AngeBall injuries’ if you believe I’m making it up. It’s well documented the intensity of his football leads to injuries, and there were plenty of Celtic fans commentating on the same when we appointed him.

But you believe what you want, I really couldn’t care less.
 
Phomesy said:
But you weren't "right about Ange". I've just shown you the data that proves you wrong. With his Back 5 Postecoglou was a Top 6 league result and won a European trophy. That's just the facts.
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Erm, conditional data doesn’t prove a thing. With his back 5? Ok. How many managers have their entire back 5 constantly fit? What a ridiculous thing to specify.

With the actual players he had available, he finished 17th. And no matter how many times you say ‘European trophy’ to glam it up, it was the Europa league, and it was Bodo in a semi and 15th United in a final.

Ange was a total failure. Nobody went ‘early’ on him, he had an entire league season where we were in relegation form. We lost to our rivals every single time. We regularly got humiliated. He then carried on his genius at the next club he went to.

Ange’s PPG was hideous. He finished his first season awfully even when players came back, and set us on a huge losing run. That basically never ended.

The club had every right to sack him - they don’t have every right to sack Frank for having us sit fourth five minutes in to a season. There’s a huge difference.
 
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