So how many matches and training sessions does it take top level international players to comprehend and apply the managers instructions? They don't have much else to do. Like 3 or 4 years that Frank said about Arteta in the NLD press conference. I get your point about the new players coming in for Ange but then they all had different tactics with their previous managers, it's not like they had already been playing Postecoglou's style had they?
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10th / 11th = instant sacking... how any Spurs fan could think this sort of finish was a source of optimism based on the outlier of last season is beyond me.
Should be sacked... 5th is the minimum requirement.
Good post Aberdeen... I hate this "let's give Frank time to see what he can do" narrative like we are some kind of charity case. Forest is a great example. Dyche is their 3rd manager this season. He had no pre-season with the players, has had to cope with the Thursday / Sunday grind and last Sunday had two days to prepare for us as opposed to the four that Frank had. The result, we were completely outplayed by a team below us in the table who looked infinitely more organised, had a game plan and in general were better all over the park. So NO. Frank doesn't get time and as proven season after season, good managers can bring sustained improvement straight off the bat. Do not let Frank or anyone else fool you into thinking this is going to take a long time to sort out.
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This was the point I was making. When Ange has his back 5 we were a seriously good football team. I am not sure where this idea comes from that we got rinsed with first choice defence. It's just not true as your stats (which I have not checked) would adhere to.
When its like this its either (IMO)
- they dont believe in the tactics
- the tactics are unclear
Part of management is not technical, its emotional. Its getting players to buy into your vision, your ethos. Postecogolu was brillliant in this respect, clearly.
Then of course part of it is technical, can you get your ideas across? Can you get them to a point where they can act it out on the pitch?
IMO, when players look as clueless and devoid of imagination like ours do now - its because they dont know what theyre supposed to be doing. Which is fine in the early days of a managers tenure, can take a little time for the penny to drop.
How long is a fair period for this process?
Including the super cup I count 25 competitive games so far (+6 pre season), and for me this is at the point where that reasonable period of waiting to see things click is at its limit. We're near half way through the season, we should be seeing more than we are.
We can't ship any out
1. Who is going to buy them
2. Who is going to pay them PL wages
We have two assets worth near to or more than what we paid for them. Romero and VDV. The rest we would be lucky to recover half of what we paid and that assumes someone is willing to pay their wages which is unlikely.
I think despite the good results with that back four there was still a strong element of fortune.
We still played far to near the edge, left ourselves far to open with acres of space one pass behind us - if not for VDV having afterburners that record would look different IMO.
I think an Angeball-like system can work, but it does require a little more pragmatism and a stronger foundation.
Dyche has got Forest moving up the table with what... half a dozen training sessions? And none of these players are his.
the players do get away with it, but also look at the home supporters, many appear to go just to meet up with mates or are tourists, we don't as the 12th man, we (the supporters) don't put press on the away team (look at palace or liverpool )
yes I'm a 1970's guy, I still want to shouting & sing with (and at ) my team
Same as Moyes with Everton, almost immediate improvement.
And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle... you could also reverse this and say if he had Kane instead of Richy then that record would look different too... this win % would be 90. You can't 'if' your way to prove a point.
Im not trying to prove a point, Im offering an opinion.
Even in those days where we did look stronger - I feel it was always on a bit of an Ossie Ardilles "we need to outscore what we concede" kind of thing, rather than we were actually a really solid/secure team.
Yes, those stats look good, but as with all stats they dont tell the whole story...
In fairness he could have said:
"I knew the moment I looked at Vicario's dumb fucking face this morning that we were fucked and might as well not even show up..."
Which would have been way worse, but not necessarily any less true.
I suppose the difference is that playing for your country is the uppermost echelon of football for many players and if you don’t do what the international manager says, that’s the end of that.
I was impressed by the Leeds United supporters when I watched one of their matches on TV a couple of weeks ago, our supporters seem to be a lot more reserved, and I don't like the trumpet player tooting out the Marching In song, it's like a feckin' funeral. The song only works when something on the pitch induces the supporters to start singing.
i hate that fucking trumpet shit so much. didn't care for the fates song either. how about something fun and uplifting?
We should come out to Triple H’s music lol and stick the trumpet up Frank’s arse
He's still here then?
