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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Brian Fantana said:
Well, there’s nobody out there right now worth changing for. In the summer sure. But giving a new bloke a three year contract now means we miss out on better managers then. But you know that, and I suspect the club does too, and that’s why nothing will happen till then.
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You’re right, I don’t think the club will do anything, I just want them to. Really at the stage where we could give it to a caretaker like Carrick for a few months, sign nobody this window and start planning for the summer. Don’t think someone like him would do any worse than Frank.

And I’m not talking Carrick specifically, before any debate is hooked on his name, just any reasonably experienced manager or coach would keep us in the league.
 
CJJ said:
This whole "7 defensive players" thing doesn't even make sense though.

Most, if not all, of that back four are not really 'defensive players'. No one would bat an eye if micky or romero were in a midfield position.

It seems to be more of an argument about CM, but Sarr is away, Bergvall had a knock, Xavi is banned. Who else is going to play there?

Gray was basically playing AM, so it's not like we set up with 3 DMs
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We set up to defend and keep it compact and waste time, which is why Vic Finally got booked for it before the hour mark, your keeper is not getting booked for Time wasting at 0-0 unless thats a direct command from the manager!
Its not even about who we have available, the tactics were obvious from the get go, which was to not concede and hope to get something , we came here looking for a Draw and thats what we got.
 
Brian Fantana said:
Well, there’s nobody out there right now worth changing for. In the summer sure. But giving a new bloke a three year contract now means we miss out on better managers then. But you know that, and I suspect the club does too, and that’s why nothing will happen till then.
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I can't see the club bumbling on with him for much longer. He's already having a negative impact on ticket sales. The 'brand' is at it's lowest point in a generation. ST renewals will take an absolute battering if he's still honking the place out.

Now is the time to pull the plug...Today.

Give the club a lift before the Villa FA cup game which we must win, and before the Champions League resumes.
 
AberdeenYid said:
You’re right, I don’t think the club will do anything, I just want them to. Really at the stage where we could give it to a caretaker like Carrick for a few months, sign nobody this window and start planning for the summer. Don’t think someone like him would do any worse than Frank.

And I’m not talking Carrick specifically, before any debate is hooked on his name, just any reasonably experienced manager or coach would keep us in the league.
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I get where you’re coming from. I just think changing manager now wouldbt change much and that’s why I can’t be bothered to get too worked up about it. Maybe it’s just decades of being desensitised to it all!

Going to be a few years to get this club back going in the right direction I’m afraid. I don’t think the rebranded ENIC have it in them either.
 
Fattynomates said:
We set up to defend and keep it compact and waste time, which is why Vic Finally got booked for it before the hour mark, your keeper is not getting booked for Time wasting at 0-0 unless thats a direct command from the manager!
Its not even about who we have available, the tactics were obvious from the get go, which was to not concede and hope to get something , we came here looking for a Draw and thats what we got.
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Tbh I don' think it's safe to think "Vicario wouldn't do that unless instructed"

It's also a bit embarrassing for everyone's intelligence to think that we'd turn up to a team we've just beaten 2-0 at home in the league, when we have shit home form, and then go with top-of-the-league away form and set up for a draw

People are coming up with absolute fairy tales to convince themselves it isn't a squad full of dumb lazy players
 
Brian Fantana said:
We’ve been doing that on and off for nearly three decades! (And more on than off!)

It’s guesswork obviously and a tweet for engagement. But it’s the obvious more and the correct one.
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Its been a mistake every time.

I think for any club to just write off half a season is criminal.

Remember when we got Pleat in charge while we set up our new modern structure? Santini and Arnesen dream team. Fell apart almost instantly....

And honestly Im not one who thinks Poch is the messiah either. He has many flaws that get glossed over and I think a ceiling to what he can do. Absolutely no doubt he would be vastly better than Frank, but honestly Id rather go with someone new and possibly more potential.

Second time round is never pretty, and it just feels like the club playing on nostalgia to fluff the fans. Id rather that actually had some conviction.
 
I think the Frank appointment made sense, and I was more than content with it. That's on record and no issue. I didn't dictate the signing but aside from Silva in terms of PL manager. I thought it was a good move. I'm still not sold on Iraola.

It appears as though Frank is running scared of losing his job and being seen as a failure, as well as having a naturally more pragmatic football philosophy. It's a combination that is not suited to the club

It's now on the board if they are prepared to back Frank's judgement on players, which I think would be criminal,or if they are prepared to take the gamble of changing manager (and backroom staff) at a difficult time of the season.

I think the board need to look at and consider the long-term consequences of taking the wrong decision.

We are a big club but it's clear that we have a small time manager, and players can't possibly think big with that kind of messaging.
 
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CJJ said:
It's also a bit embarrassing for everyone's intelligence to think that we'd turn up to a team we've just beaten 2-0 at home in the league, when we have shit home form, and then go with top-of-the-league away form and set up for a draw

People are coming up with absolute fairy tales to convince themselves it isn't a squad full of dumb lazy players
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Regardless of form* Brentford were very poor last night and were there to be got at - and we didnt even try and lay a glove on them.

Lets not hide behind a poor performance in the actual match just because Brentford have been strong at home all season.



*I said early in the match thread/possibly Frank thread I could well see us losing this one because Brentford are strong at home - and predicted they would be much better than in the home game we won. I thought they'd put up more of a threat than Palace did last week. So on paper Id have said 0-0 was a good result, but when you watch the game and its obvious they are there to be beaten (as opposed to them being quality/dominant as expected)? Well thats the bit that really counts IMO...
 
CJJ said:
Tbh I don' think it's safe to think "Vicario wouldn't do that unless instructed"

It's also a bit embarrassing for everyone's intelligence to think that we'd turn up to a team we've just beaten 2-0 at home in the league, when we have shit home form, and then go with top-of-the-league away form and set up for a draw

People are coming up with absolute fairy tales to convince themselves it isn't a squad full of dumb lazy players
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Nope.

Managers send the message to their players and hold the power to change things if those orders are not being followed.

We don't have lazy players. We have an unambitious manager, and whilst a return of 4 points from 2 away games is of course more than welcome, it's the manner of the way in which those points came about.

No one with a brain cell wants to see open play to the detriment of a decent percentage of wins but what we are seeing on the pitch is the mentality of a newly promoted team..
 
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Notabadsquad said:
Nope.

Managers send the message to their players and hold the power to change things if those orders ade not being followed.

We don't have lazy players. We have an unambitious manager, and whilst a return of 4 points from 2 away games is of course more than welcome, it's the manner of the way in which those points came about.

No one with a brain cell wants to see open play to the detriment of a decent percentage of wins but what we are seeing on the pitch is the mentality of a newly promoted team..
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So you think Frank instructs Vicario to play the ball to someone being pressed, or to come out of his box and try and dribble past players?

Come on..
 
postbox said:
Regardless of form* Brentford were very poor last night and were there to be got at - and we didnt even try and lay a glove on them.

Lets not hide behind a poor performance in the actual match just because Brentford have been strong at home all season.



*I said early in the match thread/possibly Frank thread I could well see us losing this one because Brentford are strong at home - and predicted they would be much better than in the home game we won. I thought they'd put up more of a threat than Palace did last week. So on paper Id have said 0-0 was a good result, but when you watch the game and its obvious they are there to be beaten (as opposed to them being quality/dominant as expected)? Well thats the bit that really counts IMO...
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But we had a higher xG last night than we did in the Europa League Final, which people say was a "good performance" with an "attacking manager", but that was with "no attacking midfielders", so when you put the two side by side something about the criticism doesn't really add up.

Game was dead as soon as Muani came on and he was all over the shop, so if it is really about tactics and not players, why it is that Odobert can be our only decent forward player and playing in a totally different way.

I'm annoyed and disappointed that he's not using our younger club-trained players, but I'm also annoyed at what our senior players are doing out there, so I prefer to wait to see how this would all look with some half-competent players in the front line. We currently don't have much of note available
 
The way I see it , we can’t attract a top manager as they know it’s a poisoned chalice & there’s a petulant mentality with the players so we’re stuck with managers who can’t inspire or be respected by players .

Franks tactics are incredibly dull and over cautious . We’re stuck in this cycle & in 18 months we’ll be here again , most people have wised up to to the real problem at the club & until they bugger off nothing is changing .
 
I'm not one for all this Frank out stuff.

Our away form is much better, joint first in the league.

I just feel fans nowadays will never be happy. Thomas Frank has come into a club with various issues off the pitch and on the pitch and is expected to somehow be the one that takes us from a side that finished 17th to 4th.

The bullshit around 'we just want to see good football or attacking play' is a load of nonsense because Ange gave us that in the first season, we finished 5th and it was still not good enough apparently.

I don't really feel the football is great but to lay all the issues on a new manager who has barely been here I just think sums up this modern day culture. It's truly a toxic one.
 
CJJ said:
But we had a higher xG last night than we did in the Europa League Final, which people say was a "good performance" with an "attacking manager", but that was with "no attacking midfielders", so when you put the two side by side something about the criticism doesn't really add up.

Game was dead as soon as Muani came on and he was all over the shop, so if it is really about tactics and not players, why it is that Odobert can be our only decent forward player and playing in a totally different way.

I'm annoyed and disappointed that he's not using our younger club-trained players, but I'm also annoyed at what our senior players are doing out there, so I prefer to wait to see how this would all look with some half-competent players in the front line. We currently don't have much of note available
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I dont think the Europa final was good game at all. It was awful, we rode our luck massively and we were lucky Utd were worse.
Great result though.

Game last night was dead as soon as we settled into it and it was clear we were terrified of Brentford and had no intentions to get at them - long before Muani was involved*.


And Ive raised the point already today, and I think this is a point of contention between us, but I dont see any great improvement in our attack with better players. The underlying structure/work/intent just isnt there.

People seem to think we get Solanke/Kulu/Maddison/+new in we'll suddenly be a good attacking side - how? How when we dont have any structures in place to use them? Is Frank suddenly going to flip on a dime and take the handbrake off? Unleash us as an attacking force...?

...I mean, Id LOVE it! But I think its fantasy to expect it given what we've seen so far




*Muani was very poor, didnt look at it at all - and so deservedly is getting criticism. However, Im reluctant to lay into any of our attackers too much right now because honestly I think theyre just hung out to dry at the minute. Theyve nothing to work with or from at all right now.
 
The bit I can’t quite comprehend is how a previously much lauded coach has suddenly become crap and it seems devoid of ideas when he’s been here six months.

I watched the boring debacle last night, but I don’t see how coaching prevents players being able to make simple 5-10 yard passes. How many times do we see possession given up cheaply by absolutely brain dead passing?

Thomas Frank may not be the long term answer, but I also don’t see things magically improving by dropping a new sucker into the hot seat with this group of mediocre players who seem to lack the backbone to fight and dig in.

Very depressing state of affairs!
 
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