You want to give a guy who bought Kudus and Simons for 120m and also loaned in Palhinha and RKM more money??? I wouldn't give this fucker another penny!!! Not even money from the Johnson sale... fuck him and his gum chewing!!!
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Manager Thomas Frank
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Carrick could easily do worse than Frank.
This is where I'm at also. Frank has obviously spent all his time on the defence and we can see despite that not being what we want as a fan base that's worked we already have more clean sheets this season then we ever did under ange.
I still cant see any attacking patterns that's very concerning but at the same time yesterday I very much doubt Frank's telling the players to constantly over hit/under hit passes, or fail to control simple balls.
And at the same time the attack is always gonna suffer because we have legit 0 of our good attacking players in midfield fit
If we got better players we would score more goals and look better going forward simple as, but at the same time under someone like Poch in that first season you could see the idea but also see the players held that back im not seeing that under Frank
So we didn't set up for a draw then? Like you say a team we pumped at home, with our away record being the best in the league and we set up for a draw, but now your saying the tactics were lost and the players just shit the bed?
Come on man , the mental gymnastics you go to to protect this manager and his turgid brand of Football is absurd!
Its just a shame that Frank wasn't able to communicate to the players during the game and tell them that we should be trying to score!
If you imagine having an odobert on each side, that's what I think Kulusevski would bring back. There's something about Maddison and Kulusevski that I've not seen replaced by what we have now that is breaking down our attack. It's like watching some trying to bail out a boat with a colander.
If our home form and away form were identical, we'd be comfortably in the top 4 and keeping a clean sheet against a team that is one of the top 5 for home form isn't the crisis people think it is.
This isn't me saying everything is all rosey, but we're seeing some right old bullturds about the 'alternative' options, as if any manager from the past (all of which mentioned were sacked for worse results and football with far better players) is suddenly going to make erratic players not erratic with tactics (even though most of them have been through 4 managers now and 4 different styles and are the same).
Imagine going back a year and saying we'd be playing 4 first team players younger than Dane Scarlett (Bergvall, Gray, Tel, Odobert) with Djed Spence as a first choice left back and Richarlison as our only functional striker and expecting "tactics" to be the reason why we're not winning games with free flowing attacking football. It actually sounds exactly like the same excuses people had for us losing matches and playing badly a year ago
We do it to ALL of them!
Serial winners like Conte and Mourinho became dinosaurs the moment they set foot in the club....
Frank doesn't stand a chance....
We'd turn prime Fergie, Wenger, Pep and Klopp to mush!
Few things to come back at this
Ange didn't get fired cos 5th wasn't enough. He got fired because after the first 10 games our form got worse and worse and yea we won a trophy but we finished 17th and lost 22 league games in the season.
Fans need something to believe in. What is there to believe in with what we have seen so far with Frank?!
If you like stats then we have had 2 of the 5 worst xg performances under him since they started to calculate it.
If you don't like stats and go on eye test then tell me even in last 2 games where we have collected 4 points as to what there is to be happy about other than getting lucky palace didn't score and then both sides doing nothing last night.
We have consistently been outplayed, Monaco, bodo fucking glint, Chelsea, Woolwich, fulham, forest, pool etc
The Chelsea and Woolwich performances alone would be enough to get a manager the sack.
The atmosphere is toxic and that's not all on Frank given the football mismanagement over the last 7-8 years but he has shown nothing in his time here that he deserves more time.
But not to the effect of being relegated. Frank won’t get us relegated either to be fair. But, in a season where everyone around us is playing pass the parcel with fourth place (we’ve been shite, but still only 7 points behind Liverpool in 4th), we could do something this season. I just can’t see it with Frank.
This opinion pre-dates Frank, so not a dig entirely at him.
A lot of our players, of not all, look like they don't practice.
What do they do in training these days?
In the late stages last night, a decent ball was played through to Richarlison. His initial touch was fine, he maintained the attack.
He didn't have much of an outlet with RKM on the opposite side of the pitch.
What followed was what looked like a player who'd never been in that situation before. A pathetic "cross" that went straight to the keeper.
Why aren't the attackers doing that in drills. Over and over and over. Attack Vs Defence. Do it all day until the attackers start to learn how to beat a fucking man ffs.
Again I'm not sure who said the EL final was a good performance, it was a good result as we won a Trophy , the performance to me doesn't really matter as it was a 1 off game, a Final that we won!
I actually agree with you about the youth players and I would be a lot more forgiving of Frank had we been blooding in some of the younger players this season!
Conte is not a dinosaur of a coach, far, far from it.
People might not like him or his style. But he's one of the most capable managers currently working, still.
This is where I’m at and why I’m not prepared to throw Frank under the bus until we have some quality offensive players on the pitch.
There were loads of comments about where the creativity was going to come from when team sheet landed, yet that seems to have been universally forgotten about and now the manager is 100% to blame and should be sacked!
This squad is so poor I don’t see it at all risky to buy some decent quality players for Frank this window, just as long as they’re not some specialist (like Conte and his wing backs) that couldn’t be used under a different manager should it come to that.
Understand your points but if all players are playing shit then that's on the manager. If internationals can't pass a ball 5 yards (and let's face it they haven't been able to for last few months) then we need to ask why. Is it that they turn shit as soon as put on our jersey or because the manager hasn't instilled the necessary confidence in them to play their game.
I personally would gladly get rid of most of them but if the manager can't get them to play even basic football then he isn't doing his job.
Blindly defending the keeper isn't the same as tactical instructions though.
It was exactly the same when Lloris would do stupid things, but there was clearly never a tactical instruction for him to be trying to nutmeg players in a world cup final
He also had prime Sonny that stepped up in Kane’s absence!
I dont think Ive stated "Tactics" will have us with free flowing attacking football.
Ive not once denied the squad has issues.
All Ive said is - it can be doing better than it is now.
We could be functional in attack, instead of completely absent.
Any manager, at this point, could be trying to embed their principles in the team. How they want to play. Yes, it could be compromised, but its still progress. And if we get to a point where we can make the ball stick in their half, move up the pitch as a team, and offer some actual threat - Id call that real progress. (6 month now and theres no sign of it)
Good coaches get lesser teams/players looking far more coherent than we do all the time. Often pretty quickly too.
We have nothing even looking like those kind of ideas right now.
So yes, drop in better quality players - unless theyre just going to wing it with more reliabilty than we do now what will they have? No support, no runners, and an expectation theyll beat 3 men and put a cross in / win a set piece / throw / corner.
Maddison will be dropping deeper and deeper just to see the ball, at which point there will be a gaping hole where you would want him to actually be affecting the game.
Kulu will be getting the exact same criticism Kudus is now - because we'll be firing the ball up the wing to him, with 2-3 players to beat and no one to pass to.
Solanke will be just as starved as Richarlison is now.
Without us being coached into an attacking unit - with any players available/wished for - its the same shite we're seeing now.