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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Notabadsquad said:
I do not agree in the slightest that getting Frank showed a lack of ambition on the part of the ownership.

Players are often bought with the belief they rise to the challenge and fulfill their potential.

Everything can't be an assault on the ownership or the board because the outcome is less than people want, in this weird and wonderful equation of resources.

You take a decision and part of that assessment is the hope people go beyond and above your expectation. That they bloom and take the challenge on and flourish.

Frank is demonstrating the exact opposite and fears losing more than he is enticed by winning.

The question now is whether the board accept they made a mistake,or do they see that flicker of light in what is becoming a darkened sky and pull the trigger.
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I am a great believer in the right man being the right man, regardless of rep/experience/brand etc.

Id love us to take a punt on a young up and comer and have them come good, absolutely love it (full keegan style)

When we got Frank I genuinely hoped he would be Poch like, he would step into the role, grow and really show he can do it at a bigger club.

Unlike Poch, he just hasnt - and IMO doesnt look like he ever will either
 
Richard Arlison said:
The starting 11 that game:

- **GK**: Antonín Kinský
- **RB**: Pedro Porro
- **CB**: Archie Gray
- **CB**: Ben Davies
- **LB**: Djed Spence
- **CM**: Dejan Kulusevski
- **CM**: Rodrigo Bentancur
- **CM**: Yves Bissouma
- **RW**: Brennan Moore
- **ST**: Richarlison
- **LW**: Heung-min Son

Considering the schedule and the fact that most of those had played a game every 3 days for over a month… also we parked the bus tactically as well but still created 3x as much.

Now imagine what that 11 would have given for Kudus on the right, or World Cup finalist Kolo Muani to choose from. Or signing of the season Palinha who everyone says is much better than Bissouma …

The player excuse is a busted flush
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Last season, the vibe on here was that Postecoglu was shite and the injuries had nothing to do with where we were. He was just a fat Aussie cunt and needed to go.

Same posters this season are weeping at the loss of Maddison, Kulu and Solanke and campaigning for Frank to get more time because he doesn’t have these players.

And also saying we’ve conceded less goals and had more clean sheets. What? By playing defenders in defence? Having the first choice keeper play every match? Almost full matches by our centre half captain and centre half vice captain? Palhinha as almost a third central defender? No! Really? We are better in defence now? I’m fucking stunned.

A fair number of posters need to accept that their “anyone but Ange” should have been “not Ange, but not someone just as ineffective”.
 
Phomesy said:
Of course he does. More importantly the players and fans deserved to be backed.

Frank was brought in to play a more defensive, clean sheet oriented, style after the chaos of the previous manager. This is what people wanted even if they are second guessing that.

Frank may or may not work out but we need better players. Cutting off our nose to spite our faces is just more Deranger thinking where we worry more about the chef than the ingredients.
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For me (and I may be alone) Frank was meant to be evolution, not revolution.

Take Anges style, add some pragmatism, end up with the best of both worlds.

He could have kept the basic ethos, and shape even, and organised the team better defensively - address the obvious issues in that set up.

He seems instead to have taken the approach of throwing the baby out with the bathwater and starting from scratch.


Fattynomates said:
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Perfect ❤️😆
 
Phomesy said:
Of course he does. More importantly the players and fans deserved to be backed.

Frank was brought in to play a more defensive, clean sheet oriented, style after the chaos of the previous manager. This is what people wanted even if they are second guessing that.

Frank may or may not work out but we need better players. Cutting off our nose to spite our faces is just more Deranger thinking where we worry more about the chef than the ingredients.
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I kind of agree but the quandary is whether you back Frank with players another manager might not want.

I think the board really need to very quickly take in all the on-field/off-field detail and decide.

It's possible they bring in a couple of players only just to keep us ticking along, aee how that goes and wait until the end of the season.

Had we lost to both Brentford and Palace I do think Frank would have been sacked.
 
postbox said:
Im not sure thats true.

We definitely peaked around that point - but there was clear progress towards that through season 1.

He started with the senior players, hit a brick wall, moved the younger players and immediately looked a lot better. Built on that through that season, and after a summer hit a new level season 2...

Point being, in relation to Frank - Im not expecting us to be the finished article right now - but I am expecting us to be progressing toward that. I cant say I see it at all :dawsonmean:

Hence Id much rather pull the plug now and make a change.

No guarantees itll succeed, of course.
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I was bored out of my brains for most of 14/15
We finished 1 place up from the season before when AVB was sacked, we got battered senseless quite a few times and we had Dipshit Sherwood in place.
There were, IMO, no more rays of light then than we've had now.
 
Just have a look at the technical players in these teams and compare them to now and then wonder why we are struggling. I watch these highlights every day and the fall off is huge. It's like we have a team of Zokora and Hojbjergs now.


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In comparison this is our team now


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Richard Arlison said:

View: https://x.com/jackpittbrooke/status/2007002927110697196?s=46&t=fbqxNuG9CT4qTaiJx8mBjg

Let’s be honest, if you lose the away fans as obviously as Frank has, and you are already at war with the rest of the fanbase in press conferences, then you need a miracle to survive.

In the past Levy would’ve pulled the trigger as soon as the pressure was on him. Frank is lucky that the fan’s don’t know where aim at…for now.
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And this is as good a reason as any to stick. Levy was shit at footballing decisions. Maybe doing the opposite of what Levy would do, is exactly what we should do!
 
Richard Arlison said:

View: https://x.com/jackpittbrooke/status/2007002927110697196?s=46&t=fbqxNuG9CT4qTaiJx8mBjg

Let’s be honest, if you lose the away fans as obviously as Frank has, and you are already at war with the rest of the fanbase in press conferences, then you need a miracle to survive.

In the past Levy would’ve pulled the trigger as soon as the pressure was on him. Frank is lucky that the fan’s don’t know where aim at…for now.
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Spurs fans reached their limit at Brentford. Thomas Frank needs to of…

archived 2 Jan 2026 10:34:05 UTC
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Edit, damning:

This was not the first time that Spurs fans booed this season. But it felt like the most pointedly personal booing so far. Nor can this be taken in isolation. This was not disappointment at a mistake, or frustration over another bad day at the office. There was nothing random or unfortunate about Spurs’ badness here. Because Spurs were bad in precisely the ways that you would expect them to be bad, the ways in which you have seen them be bad too many times this season already. This was some of the worst football you will ever see. But you could never call it a surprise.


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It was only on Sunday that Spurs went to Selhurst Park, kept it tight, scored from a corner and won 1-0. That did not feel like a classic at the time, but compared to this game, it was the 2022 World Cup final. That is the problem with playing this football, offering nothing in terms of entertainment. Your only option is to win. Fail to do that, and there is nothing for fans to invest in or get behind.



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The problem is that for this to work, fans have to believe in the direction of travel. They must want to be on the journey with Frank and the players. And that means aiming for some lofty goals, sharing the aspirations, if not the records, of great Spurs teams of the past. Tightening the defence, restricting Brentford’s shooting opportunities, and maximising set pieces — these alone will not cut it.
At some point, Frank has to offer something grander than efficiencies and marginal gains. Or else there will be more games like this. And more fan reactions like this, too.

I feel like JPB has nailed it here
 
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AberdeenYid said:
Last season, the vibe on here was that Postecoglu was shite and the injuries had nothing to do with where we were. He was just a fat Aussie cunt and needed to go.

Same posters this season are weeping at the loss of Maddison, Kulu and Solanke and campaigning for Frank to get more time because he doesn’t have these players.

And also saying we’ve conceded less goals and had more clean sheets. What? By playing defenders in defence? Having the first choice keeper play every match? Almost full matches by our centre half captain and centre half vice captain? Palhinha as almost a third central defender? No! Really? We are better in defence now? I’m fucking stunned.

A fair number of posters need to accept that their “anyone but Ange” should have been “not Ange, but not someone just as ineffective”.
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postbox said:
archive.ph

Spurs fans reached their limit at Brentford. Thomas Frank needs to of…

archived 2 Jan 2026 10:34:05 UTC
archive.ph archive.ph

Edit, damning:

This was not the first time that Spurs fans booed this season. But it felt like the most pointedly personal booing so far. Nor can this be taken in isolation. This was not disappointment at a mistake, or frustration over another bad day at the office. There was nothing random or unfortunate about Spurs’ badness here. Because Spurs were bad in precisely the ways that you would expect them to be bad, the ways in which you have seen them be bad too many times this season already. This was some of the worst football you will ever see. But you could never call it a surprise.


Edit Edit:
It was only on Sunday that Spurs went to Selhurst Park, kept it tight, scored from a corner and won 1-0. That did not feel like a classic at the time, but compared to this game, it was the 2022 World Cup final. That is the problem with playing this football, offering nothing in terms of entertainment. Your only option is to win. Fail to do that, and there is nothing for fans to invest in or get behind.



Edit Edit Edit:
The problem is that for this to work, fans have to believe in the direction of travel. They must want to be on the journey with Frank and the players. And that means aiming for some lofty goals, sharing the aspirations, if not the records, of great Spurs teams of the past. Tightening the defence, restricting Brentford’s shooting opportunities, and maximising set pieces — these alone will not cut it.
At some point, Frank has to offer something grander than efficiencies and marginal gains. Or else there will be more games like this. And more fan reactions like this, too.

I feel like JPB has nailed it here
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Merging these 2 into 1 because we are on the same topic.

1. The issue IMO is cultural. Levy built a culture of flip flopping from one style to the next. Poch to Jose, Conte to Ange. So, what we have now is fans who are ideologically committed to one mentality over the other. It’s a broken and divided culture that wants time for the coach that represents what they think is the right way to go.

2. Levy only had time for getting in the top 4. He had no real plan other than “is this guy going to work and get us into Europe “. And in a way hev was right. Style is nice but if it’s not going to work, move quickly to get it right. Nuno out and Conte in was a successful decision. Temporarily at least. Nuno staying was never going to get the same result.

3. Culturally, Levy was wrong. JPB is 100% correct, there is a Tottenham way and the majority of this fanbase wants to see an adventurous, courageous style of football. The away fans let the club know that last night in the clearest terms imaginable. They are the real gatekeepers at this club and they’ve spoken their piece. It would be stupid and arrogant to ignore that.

4. The idea was that we’d moved away from flip flopping . Even if Ange was sacked, the squad was being built for attacking chaos and possession of the football. Frank was meant to be a moderate version or middle ground. He isn’t, he’s a 180 flop flop with no courage to go on an adventure. It was fine to give him a chance to show he could step up but he’s shown us that he’s afraid of the step up himself.



Brian Fantana said:
And this is as good a reason as any to stick. Levy was shit at footballing decisions. Maybe doing the opposite of what Levy would do, is exactly what we should do!
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Don’t agree mate. Not every decision Levy made was wrong and he was at least quick to act when he’d made a mistake with a coach. Frank wasn’t a mistake but he’s definitely starting to look like it would be a mistake to keep him.

That same performance at home vs Sunderland and we all know what that stadium will be like.
 
Tomo said:

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Never really watched Brentford. Got sold on the idea maybe he would be flexible like Redknapp but he is basically a Nuno. Appears others did watch more.
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Yeah I got sold on the flexibility for sure.

Said many times at the height of the previous manager's stupid tactics that it cant be that hard to find a manager who can get a team to defend and attack competently and thought Frank would be it. However, I'm still not completely wanting him out until he gets the best attackers back. Solanke and Kulusevski offer something the others playing each week dont. But when they will be back is the big question.
 
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