Well..... a lot of your rhetoric is aimed at the Manager..... can you not see these players are not good enough at premier level..... FFS ....every week these players have the chance to change things on the pitch and every week it's just the same....apart from the first half at home to Dortmund..... They are just crap footballers... that Symons is the worst signing since Ndombelly.... and Bissooooma.... and...well all of them..... no manager will make this squad better.... we are doomed
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Manager Thomas Frank
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Everyone needs to go.
The bloke haranguing Vivian Lewis was on the money. "Sell up and go"
Can YOU not see these players usually play out of their skins when 1 or 2 down?
Night and day levels of effort, risk taking and decisiveness.
They can play. But they seem to be restrained all the while it's level or we're ahead.
If they're keeping him they should do a sit down with Vinai to explain why. It's a joke we're paying these people millions a year to run things yet there's no back up plan
Wasn't he Levy's mate and a Levy hire?
I don't really buy the "he's a gooner"
He worked for the gooners.
Nobody would have whined he was a gooner if we'd taken prime Henry off them.
But I do worry he's not very good at his job. He's done very little since he arrived that suggests he is.
100% every positive thing is to do with fan interaction. Nothing to do with football
I'm assuming we beat Frankfurt away. They are a mess and lost 3-1 yesterday.and sacked their manager about 2 weeks ago.
If that happens then it's 2nd week in march for last 16 ties so he'll only have league games for 6-7 weeks so no way he survives those
Disagree
Getting sacked by Spurs doesn’t even damage your career
And you accuse me of rhetoric!
I think some of our players are flawed and the squad building from Lange and Paritici is horrendous however I keep saying this, 2 things can be true BUT IMO they're not playing for him and the standards have fallen so badly that they're not playing with any pride now and inevitably not playing for him.
However you can't argue that Frank is getting the most out of the players and actually doing a good job because the squad:
is better than:2 wins in fucking 15
is better than 2 wins at home all season
is better than being the team that have played the least amount of through balls in the league
is better than the being the team making the most amount of errors leading to goals in the league
is better than creating the 4th lowest XG in the league
is better than playing some of the worst football in the premier league
is better than dropping 5 fucking points to West Ham and Burnley -2 teams btw who collectively mustered up 2 wins in 25 matches between them before last week.
And I'll add that not one player has improved under the coaches guidance, this is meant to be a coach who gets the best out of players and platform them so they improve, tell me someone, anyone who has improved this season?
He's crap.
The only manager who really staked their reputation coming here since Poch left is Conte, Mourinho was clearly already checked out by the end of his utd tenure and just looking for one last big paycheck before winding down his career, Nuno, Ange and Frank will never get a bigger job and likely never would have if they'd turned us down.
Same reason Conte came, is the reason other top managers will come
Conte signed an 18 month deal when Son and Kane were still here and performing to the best of their ability, probably only ever intended to extend for a year max IF things went well, saw the writing on the wall with the shit window we provided him with in the summer and virtually downed tools from that point on. His tenure reflected more poorly on us than him in retrospect, which is staggering considering the manner in which he pushed the nuclear button.
Ok.... I see your point..... but we are no better than last year with mostly the same players..... we can't keep changing managers because the players don't like their system.... it's the clubs decision to get rid of players not up to the task.... then replace them with better.... but..... I'm not sure we have enough money for 8 new players....
Villa were a bag of shit, looking like they might get relegated again. Seemingly spaffing money up the wall left right and centre without real long term improvement.. They went and got seemingly a promising young manager in Gerrard, who then had his career tank there.. Their fans were dejected and didn't like the team at all..
But then Villa went and flexed whatever muscles they had and offered the world to Emery. Who's reputation perhaps wasn't as inflated as it is now, but was still seemingly above Villa's current level.
If the willingness is there to make a proposition attractive.. It can always be done. Every club is a poisoned chalice until it isn't anymore.. Remember Liverpool with Hodgson, Dalglish, Rodgers.. And the drama of their "transfer comittee" Before arriving at Klopp
Inter were known in Italy as Crazy Inter. A nonsense of a club.. Before they gave Conte what he wanted to build a winning team that has lasted (even with sales they've had to make)
Now, whether the willingness from the club would be sufficient to put on the table what they'd need to. I'd be less optimistic about that. But it can always be done. Thinking it can't, would be letting this club off of the hook.
But then Villa went and flexed whatever muscles they had and offered the world to Emery. Who's reputation perhaps wasn't as inflated as it is now, but was still seemingly above Villa's current level.
If the willingness is there to make a proposition attractive.. It can always be done. Every club is a poisoned chalice until it isn't anymore.. Remember Liverpool with Hodgson, Dalglish, Rodgers.. And the drama of their "transfer comittee" Before arriving at Klopp
Inter were known in Italy as Crazy Inter. A nonsense of a club.. Before they gave Conte what he wanted to build a winning team that has lasted (even with sales they've had to make)
Now, whether the willingness from the club would be sufficient to put on the table what they'd need to. I'd be less optimistic about that. But it can always be done. Thinking it can't, would be letting this club off of the hook.
What "bloke"?
Possibly. But it’s their long term contact. It’s the one who broke all the stadium NFL stuff over a decade or so ago. So they have an in for sure. I think they are US based.
They say Lewis’s want him gone but Vinai doesn’t yet.
It’s also worth remembering that Vinai had nothing to do with the football side at the scum, he wasn’t involved in any of that and so why he has been making these footballing decisions here is bizarre.
Its a poisoned chalice though. Ithink we are a good destination for a Glasner or Iraola, maybe De Zerbi. Great wages and potentialy could achieve something but the top tier? Conte is the only top tier manager we've attracted when at their peak since Venables. The best ones will sit tight and wait until June. Its just common sense for them. Its not how we'd all like it but with these owners its the reality.
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So we just go down then?
You realise we can sack Frank for about £20m but a new squad would be hundreds and hundreds of million, right?
It would be foolish not to sack someone that's seem 2 wins in about 3 months.