I've not been Goodison for ages so don't know how racist we are. Though some of our fans seem to think Son is Chinese. He's KOREAN, you dense cunts.
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In an interesting turn of events, Beitar Jerusalem is going to be sold to a Sheikh from the Emirates tomorrow.
Sounded like quite a lot of them as well.
Chelsea up next...
I absolutely despair. FFS - hopefully our small allocation tomorrow will show more class?
There’s barely any fans there: just ban the twats - shouldn’t be hard to find out who it is. Arseholes.
There’s barely any fans there: just ban the twats - shouldn’t be hard to find out who it is. Arseholes.
Ban them for what?
Being dicks.
If they’re booing taking a knee, then they must support the views that it’s against? Ergo, they support discrimination in all its forms. It’s quite clear that the gesture is no longer attached to BLM as repeated statements have made clear, so they can’t pretend that one anymore.
If you campaign or express unhappiness with people making a stand for equality, it’s not a long leap to assume you support inequality: with this gesture in particular it means they’re not the kind of fan I want to be sharing a stadium with. If nothing’s done, then it becomes okay and you get the divisive politics of the past ten years all over again.
If you campaign or express unhappiness with people making a stand for equality, it’s not a long leap to assume you support inequality: with this gesture in particular it means they’re not the kind of fan I want to be sharing a stadium with. If nothing’s done, then it becomes okay and you get the divisive politics of the past ten years all over again.
Indeed, it is obviously just a gesture against racism in football and society. Let's be honest, most football players are a bit thick and it is unlikely they are thinking deeply about left wing politics. Kane when asked about Brexit said he and the team didn't really know what it was about. Further, I don't think any kneeling football players are calling for socialism. It would be a bit odd because most of them seem to wear £10,000s worth of Jewellery whilst in luxury Dubai resorts.
Edit: btw I am talking about far left politics because that seems to be the justification on twatter for being against the players kneeling.
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That's not what it's really about, it's just yet another contrived reason to oppose human rights, because they don't really have a logical reason. It's just a visceral gut reaction to just something about BLM, gay/trans rights etc that makes them angry. Probably the same part of the brain that makes little kids lash out when their sibling gets too much attention.
Same as when Colin Kapaernick did the kneeling protest, the kneeling was specifically to not offend. Kneeling is apparently a thing soliders in America do to pay respect to falled comrades, it was suggested to him by a former soldier. So to accuse him of being unpatriotic is just a transparent excuse to indirectly oppose the cause.
They now call it a meaningless PR exercise but get so bent out of shape over it.
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I agree. I was trying to show that even the lame justification is completely ridiculous. I was thinking about making it obvious by saying "of course, they could just be a bit racist" but decided against it.
I'm going to save my condemnation for until I've seen whether or not our fans make fools of themselves tomorrow.
You’d be left with empty stadiums.
Anyhow, free speech doesn’t end at the turnstiles, and it’s not just for speech you like. Banning people who dislike taking the knee isn’t really persuading anyone not already persuaded.
Yeh - I occasionally get sucked into Twitter conversations but it’s quite hard to follow as the views go all over the place.
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"they could just be a bit racist" is exactly right. If it wasn't "socialism", "PR virtue signal" etc. it would be some other deliberate mischaractersation, maybe some qanon bullshit.
Yes - but it’s making the point that some views are not acceptable to the business that runs the stadiums etcetera. In the same way the guy that did the ‘Every Lives Matter’ flag was banned and also fired from his job for bringing the company he worked for into disrepute, the stadiums are private property and have the right to refuse entry if they choose to do so.
In the same way if someone was shouting about how they hate BLM in a public place, or a restaurant, or a shop, or my house - I would anticipate that the owner or police has every right to make a point by removing (and not inviting back) the offender.
However, ironically, it’s the liberal left attitudes that so often offend the people who behave in this way, that also allow them to express themselves and do nothing about it.
Oh well...hopefully Kane’s statement the other day will help our fans behave themselves (obviously, in my opinion) tomorrow.
Especially at the Den.
That’s all over the place.
It’s a tough question whether clubs, or the league can limit speech due to contractual consent of ticket buyers. Maybe. But there’s nothing on my tickets or the standard form contract about taking the knee, and clubs shouldn’t decide retroactively what they don’t like. Clubs don’t have absolute discretion on who gets in and what’s OK.
Secondly, one can argue a football ground is not similar to restaurants or private homes. They are in a sense forums, public spheres, and public norms rule even when it’s private property.
I’m not sure taking a stand against the knee ritual or BLM is hate speech or something similar. There is a line in the sand even if it’s hard to tell. Now it will be people who boo BLM next it will be people who boo sponsors or owners.
Other big questions are whether silencing a protest is the right way to handle people’s animosity towards new more inclusive norms (I think it only makes people double down). Lastly, it’s just another step in cleansing football from its working class roots. The commodification of support. Fuck clubs and fuck the league, supporters make the clubs what they are, and if someone wants to vent I say let him.
*this applies to all forms of speech. I don’t think Chelsea fans doing hissing sounds should be banned but rather we should criticise their behavior in other means.
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