Good shot stopper, but one pf the poorest keepers we have at corners, and most teams know that. Maybe i will be convinced but at the moment a liability as shown two or three times yesterday. Better teams will punish his rash decisions.
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Match Tottenham Hotspur v Brentford | Saturday 21st Sept | Tottenham Hotspur Stadium | 3pm
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Good shot stopper, but one pf the poorest keepers we have at corners, and most teams know that. Maybe i will be convinced but at the moment a liability as shown two or three times yesterday. Better teams will punish his rash decisions.
Rewatched the match and it looked like we just wanted it more. More hunger to win, for example Maddison snapping in to win the ball back leading to BJ’s goal.
Thought Udogie had a very good game too, popped up all over the pitch.
Thought Udogie had a very good game too, popped up all over the pitch.
Watched in real time, couldn't believe that Brentford persisted in passing out from the back, our pressing was top notch and put them under so much pressure. I very much rate Frank as a manager, he obv knows what he's doing but it seemed very strange.
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I think the 8-1 and 6-6 comments were both just a bit of hyperbole to make a point.
But... since I'm a nerd, I've crunched the numbers based on the xG of all 29 shots:
- The most likely final scores were 3-1 (11.4%) and 3-0 (10.8%).
- The chance of 8-1 was 0.18% (about 1 in 550).
- The chance of 6-6 was 0.000005% (1 in 20 million), so indeed not nearly as likely as 8-1.
- The chance of any drawn result was 6.2%
- The chance of any losing result was 2.0%, with the most likely losing score being 1-2 (so yes we could have dominated as we did and still lost, if our shooting had been off / unlucky).
I was at a wedding so didn't get to see it, only caught up on MOTD highlights. Highlights made it look like we were still really open at the back and we needed Vic to save us a few times. How dominant were we? Does 3-1 flatter us?
Hope this is a turning point for the season, United next week will be a big test. COYS
Hope this is a turning point for the season, United next week will be a big test. COYS
We limited Brentford to their third lowest xG of the entire calendar year. Meaning they didn't really create anything that troubled us.
They perhaps had one decent chance beyond the 1st minute and Vicario pulled off a brilliant save to deny them.
I don't know if it was our best performance of the season, but if we had walked away with a 5-1 win, it wouldn't have been undeserved.
It was exactly what Angeball was described as though. Relentless pressing from start to finish. Excellent football and goals.
Far from flattering. I watched the entire game again yesterday, without the anxiety you get watching the game live, and we absolutely battered them. They created 2 good chances after their opener, both in the 2nd half. Both dealt with well by Vicario. There's a reason their xG was so low, we made them rush everything.
Had Son taken his gilt edged chances, we walk away from that game with 5 to our name.
It was a massively dominant performance and, if anything, 3-1 flattered them.
Agree with most on here, good performance and totally deserved to win, Mad the standout.
I like Dom, he's an honest pro - works his balls off, always shows for the ball and has some quality and intelligence too. A good centre forward who'll do well for us in this system should he stay fit.
We were wasteful though and if we had better wide forwards and another Maddison type player, we'd be genuinely pushing City, Arse and Liverpool.
I like Dom, he's an honest pro - works his balls off, always shows for the ball and has some quality and intelligence too. A good centre forward who'll do well for us in this system should he stay fit.
We were wasteful though and if we had better wide forwards and another Maddison type player, we'd be genuinely pushing City, Arse and Liverpool.
Cheers! That's the issue with MOTD highlights, hard to get a true reflection in a 10min segment.
Was it? Still looked very deep to me. As tbf he has to be at times if he's playing with Kulu (who is often too advanced) and Bentancur (who can be uncomfortable receiving on the turn in the #6).
And Maddison I thought had a good game but I much prefer him dribbling and operating closer to goal. Some of those times when he was trying to dribble out from our own third, had he lost it there we'd have been in big trouble.
The midfield worked on Saturday, but I still think we look considerably more balanced when we play a proper B2B (Sarr or Bentancur, maybe Bergvall or Gray going forward) and Maddison can operate where he's most dangerous - the final third.
Love Kulusevski but I always think we are too light in the middle with both him and Maddison. It wasn't a surprise to me in the second half when Brentford started to dominate our midfield, and the game only calmed down when Ange (for once) made a good change and brought on Sarr moving Kulu over to the right. Absolutely killed their momentum.
Agree Solanke was brilliant. My MOTM.
Yep, as this confirms, Maddison was still coming very deep for the ball.
Kulusevski's for comparison:
For better balance I'd like to see these two closer together. There are times when our midfield can look a bit... empty when both are playing together, with the #6 very isolated. As the heatmaps show, Kulu likes to operate very high up the pitch and tends to drift out to the right, which means Maddison has to drop deeper to compensate and takes him further away from where he can do the most damage.
It worked the other day but it usually doesn't. Kulu should be moved back to the right, Brennan used as an impact sub, Maddison playing as a #10 and Sarr or Bentancur as the B2B. Our chance creation might suffer slightly but we'll be considerably more balanced and solid. Long term a proper solution has to be found for the RW.
Yep, as this confirms, Maddison was still coming very deep for the ball.
Kulusevski's for comparison:
For better balance I'd like to see these two closer together. There are times when our midfield can look a bit... empty when both are playing together, with the #6 very isolated. As the heatmaps show, Kulu likes to operate very high up the pitch and tends to drift out to the right, which means Maddison has to drop deeper to compensate and takes him further away from where he can do the most damage.
It worked the other day but it usually doesn't. Kulu should be moved back to the right, Brennan used as an impact sub, Maddison playing as a #10 and Sarr or Bentancur as the B2B. Our chance creation might suffer slightly but we'll be considerably more balanced and solid. Long term a proper solution has to be found for the RW.
Look at his heat maps for the other games this season. Bit less "hot" where it is against Brentford where he was playing further up to the left.
Kulu did finish the game on the right which I think may skew this heat map
Yep, as this confirms, Maddison was still coming very deep for the ball.
Kulusevski's for comparison:
For better balance I'd like to see these two closer together. There are times when our midfield can look a bit... empty when both are playing together, with the #6 very isolated. As the heatmaps show, Kulu likes to operate very high up the pitch and tends to drift out to the right, which means Maddison has to drop deeper to compensate and takes him further away from where he can do the most damage.
It worked the other day but it usually doesn't. Kulu should be moved back to the right, Brennan used as an impact sub, Maddison playing as a #10 and Sarr or Bentancur as the B2B. Our chance creation might suffer slightly but we'll be considerably more balanced and solid. Long term a proper solution has to be found for the RW.
The point wasn't about him playing further to the left. It was about how deep he was coming for the ball, which is what you seemed to have a go at the other poster Phomesy about for correctly suggesting he did here.
Maddison vs Woolwich:
Can't be bothered to do the other games but they're basically the same: much less of him operating in our own half & specifically picking the ball up in that left back position than he was doing vs Brentford.
Good point.
The point wasn't about him playing further to the left. It was about how deep he was coming for the ball, which is what you seemed to have a go at the other poster Phomesy about for correctly suggesting he did here.
Maddison vs Woolwich:
Can't be bothered to do the other games but they're basically the same. Much less of him operating in our own half & specifically picking the ball up in that left back position.
Fair enough. My eyes are clearly wrong with what I was seeing at the weekend, like many others must have been.
My bad.
Gotta disagree here, it usually does. What makes it "appear" that it hasn't worked is the profligacy in front of goal.
Yep, as this confirms, Maddison was still coming very deep for the ball.
Kulusevski's for comparison:
For better balance I'd like to see these two closer together. There are times when our midfield can look a bit... empty when both are playing together, with the #6 very isolated. As the heatmaps show, Kulu likes to operate very high up the pitch and tends to drift out to the right, which means Maddison has to drop deeper to compensate and takes him further away from where he can do the most damage.
It worked the other day but it usually doesn't. Kulu should be moved back to the right, Brennan used as an impact sub, Maddison playing as a #10 and Sarr or Bentancur as the B2B. Our chance creation might suffer slightly but we'll be considerably more balanced and solid. Long term a proper solution has to be found for the RW.
There were a number of occasions where Kulusevski was ahead of Maddison, back to goal, where Maddison payed a quick ball into him, with Udogie running beyond Kulusevski, where Kulusevski played a little "ball round the corner" for Udogie to run into. Didn't work Saturday, but it was the same type of move that saw Spence score against Coventry. It looks to be one they work on in training.
What struck me was their interchange in the final third, with Kulu, in particular, popping up on either side of the pitch to link moves. Johnson, Solanke and Udogie all managed to get in behind with his quick touches to the byeline.
Let's not forget that this partnership is in its relative infancy, and yet you can already see that it's showing real signs of working well. As it matures, I'm sure we'll see a lot more success going forward, as the understanding increases.
I like the setup. 2 intelligent players in the creative roles, not just in their passing, but their off the ball movement as well.
Let's not kid ourselves here. Brentford came to play, but they were also trying to be compact at the back, as evidenced by the amount of bodies they still managed to get between ball and goal leading to a number of blocked shots, and yet we still created a plethora of very good opportunities due to the variety of different attacks we launched.
There was very, very little in that match to cause worry in the way we played. Don't forget that this Brentford team made City work very hard for their win. Indeed they were fairly unfortunate not to get something out of that game. On Saturday, they were fortunate not to get 5 put past them.
Have to say I don't understand the "profligacy" narrative.
We've created roughly 10.3 xG this season and we've scored 9 goals. So we "should" have scored one more goal than we have.
The reason we scored more goals against Brentford than against Leicester or Newcastle wasn't because we were more clinical, it's cos we created much better chances (3.8xG vs Brentford). If anything we were just as wasteful as ever. Son was through on goal twice and didn't even take a shot, neither of which will have contributed to the xG stats.
If we're to consistently score more goals it'll come from creating better chances, like we did vs Brentford, rather than magically scoring 3 goals from 1.4xG produced as some people (and the manager) claimed we should have somehow done against Leicester.