Tottenham Hotspur vs Southampton | Wednesday 9 Feb | 19:45 KO

  • The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...

    Get involved!

Latest Spurs videos from Sky Sports

The whole team fucked up, but it boiled down to a key issue. Player hid thus allowing Southampton to win the number game in key area. Not in this one instance only, but also throughout the game.

Harry Winks casually with the least effort jogged into no man land. There was no potential of any passes into this area, nor no Southampton players to be marked. Winks "played" himself out of the tactic board here. This gave Southampton tactical advantage to break our shape apart. Ben Davies was pulled from the back line by Amstrong who moved away from our box to provide a quick short pass option for KWP and JWP if they needed. Romero reasonably had to move in front of his mark to cover for a low cross to the near post. This further dragged Sanchez toward near post and isolated Emerson Royal. That's the bigger picture tactical issue here.

Then we have other issues like Kulu irresponsibly failing to track his man; Son had become very lazy tracking back, applying pressure (JWP should be pressed by Son); Sanchez and Emerson Royal don't know how to play an offside trap despite Lloris constantly commanding them to "Get out" . If they played the offside trap right, they wouldn't have to screen behind those offsided players, and Emerson Royal would have a better chance to notice the goalscorer sooner thus a better chance to compete for that cross and prevent the goal. In comparison, see how Southampton was so disciplined with their line in Bergwjin offside goal or Kane being fouled in offside position? They're well drilled to keep their offside trap till the end of the playing phase. Every detail counts at this level.
Can we be well drilled?
 
They take plenty of risks, sometimes it works, others they look silly (remember the 0-9 to Leicester? ). In PL terms they are not 'good' - they're 10th with a - 7 goal difference. Good enough to beat us on a bad day though, especially missing a few key players.
What key players were we missing? Every team has players missing. Our only 3 key players are Lloris Kane and son. Why do people have to making such stupid excuses!
 
T
Side stepping the the "always"-factor (you and I already had that chatter).....

This is why all the steam blown about FBs, wingers and back-up STs throughout January (and last summer) made no sense to me..... We ain't controlling shit on a regular basis unless we can field a reliable, well functioning midfield UNIT.

Not only will it ensure that we can control the ball and general flow of the game better, but it alleviates a great deal of pressure from the defenders. It should also bring an increased degree of creativity through the middle; regardless of text-book Conte-ball being wing-heavy.

Cure regurgitated debate about individual players and 2 vs 3 CMs.
Thing is he likes to play with a low block generally well he has with us anyway. So the midfield and defence is always going to be under pressure. However for some reason it’s not like a park the bus type of defending. Which is where we struggle to break down teams. Unfortunately for us it’s not that difficult to get through us. Not sure what our real tactics are. We don’t park the bus but then again we don’t really play attacking front footballs.
 
We fully deserved our wins against Leicester and Brighton. Southampton played brilliantly and would have been hard done by if they lost or drew. And yes we played rubbish.

The sky hasn’t fallen in. Let’s just keep some perspective.
 
The whole team fucked up, but it boiled down to a key issue. Player hid thus allowing Southampton to win the number game in key area. Not in this one instance only, but also throughout the game.

Harry Winks casually with the least effort jogged into no man land. There was no potential of any passes into this area, nor no Southampton players to be marked. Winks "played" himself out of the tactic board here. This gave Southampton tactical advantage to break our shape apart. Ben Davies was pulled from the back line by Amstrong who moved away from our box to provide a quick short pass option for KWP and JWP if they needed. Romero reasonably had to move in front of his mark to cover for a low cross to the near post. This further dragged Sanchez toward near post and isolated Emerson Royal. That's the bigger picture tactical issue here.

Then we have other issues like Kulu irresponsibly failing to track his man; Son had become very lazy tracking back, applying pressure (JWP should be pressed by Son); Sanchez and Emerson Royal don't know how to play an offside trap despite Lloris constantly commanding them to "Get out" . If they played the offside trap right, they wouldn't have to screen behind those offsided players, and Emerson Royal would have a better chance to notice the goalscorer sooner thus a better chance to compete for that cross and prevent the goal. In comparison, see how Southampton was so disciplined with their line in Bergwjin offside goal or Kane being fouled in offside position? They're well drilled to keep their offside trap till the end of the playing phase. Every detail counts at this level.
Another tedious scapegoating of Winks. Winks spent a lot of time chasing shadows because s'oton targeted our right flank, dragging our back 3 across to cover Emerson. What do you want Winks to do, get of his station and go ball chasing just to please your desire to see him more involved. Him and PEH had to shut down central midfield and they were taken out of the game by their tactics, which we did nothing to counter, rigidly hanging on to a failing formation.
 
T

Thing is he likes to play with a low block generally well he has with us anyway. So the midfield and defence is always going to be under pressure. However for some reason it’s not like a park the bus type of defending. Which is where we struggle to break down teams. Unfortunately for us it’s not that difficult to get through us. Not sure what our real tactics are. We don’t park the bus but then again we don’t really play attacking front footballs.
He doesn't play with a low block?
 
Another tedious scapegoating of Winks. Winks spent a lot of time chasing shadows because s'oton targeted our right flank, dragging our back 3 across to cover Emerson. What do you want Winks to do, get of his station and go ball chasing just to please your desire to see him more involved. Him and PEH had to shut down central midfield and they were taken out of the game by their tactics, which we did nothing to counter, rigidly hanging on to a failing formation.
Someone either the coach or players should have remedied it? Can’t any of them think? I think some people have said we the some of the most dumbest players around. How often do you see them all go to player with the ball rather than follow a runner. It’s like playground football.
 
He doesn't play with a low block?
We do did you you not watch the game. In the first half we were so deep. It started in first 5 mins when they had a glorious chance. We never moved out. The tactics were obvious to hit them on the break. We certainly didn’t force our gane on to them as we simply didn’t bother running or moving.
 
We do did you you not watch the game. In the first half we were so deep. It started in first 5 mins when they had a glorious chance. We never moved out. The tactics were obvious to hit them on the break. We certainly didn’t force our gane on to them as we simply didn’t bother running or moving.

You're mistaken, we always press in the first phase when they have the ball in their half then we defend in a shape when the ball crossed the half way line, that's not a low block.

A low block is generally what Jose did with us, watch the Woolwich match when we beat them 2-0 at home or the City match for example.
 
Looking at that S'oton XI again.... The narrative that we don't have players good enough to beat them is clearly bollocks.
 
Last edited:
You're mistaken, we always press in the first phase when they have the ball in their half then we defend in a shape when the ball crossed the half way line, that's not a low block.

A low block is generally what Jose did with us, watch the Woolwich match when we beat them 2-0 at home or the City match for example.
Not sure we pressed that much in first phase? Watch the gane and you can clearly see our midfield just in front of back 5. Whether it’s a low block or sitting deep sane thing. The tactic is still to spring the counter. I think we did it better v Leicester where we win the ball back around the middle of the park. When we did get the ball deep in our half we just fumbled with it and couldn’t string a pass together because of their press.
 
Could have been 3-0 if not for Sancho poor decision making.
When can we play proper football with proper wingers, being crying out for that

Gil seriously shouldnt have been loaned out.
Gil being always a talent except for being lightweight, but he is very similar to Yossi Benayoun with more pace.

Kulusevic - did we need this guy?
Emerson - biggest mistake of this season - could have signed Gavi
 
Could have been 3-0 if not for Sancho poor decision making.
When can we play proper football with proper wingers, being crying out for that

Gil seriously shouldnt have been loaned out.
Gil being always a talent except for being lightweight, but he is very similar to Yossi Benayoun with more pace.

Kulusevic - did we need this guy?
Emerson - biggest mistake of this season - could have signed Gavi
100% something smells with all these deals. Buying players we don’t need them shopping out players we just got or buying some real duff players.
 
Not sure we pressed that much in first phase? Watch the gane and you can clearly see our midfield just in front of back 5. Whether it’s a low block or sitting deep sane thing. The tactic is still to spring the counter. I think we did it better v Leicester where we win the ball back around the middle of the park. When we did get the ball deep in our half we just fumbled with it and couldn’t string a pass together because of their press.

You keep telling me to watch the game but I'm not sure you did, you're getting confused with the intent to sit back vs what the tactics actually were.

Every time Southampton played out from the back we attempted to press and close them down, that's not playing in a 'low block' These were taken directly from when the keeper had the ball.

896634610723902a609b5e4d8efde938c0a3ed82e575c98d23195be0260b508e2fbfdd14.jpg


1258506332ffe0051bffd1ae7dff1602b1abb7ad8abcfa9ad1e9d3e02e904b5f92051b3d.jpg


When you sit in a low block you don't press until the ball gets passed the half way line.

We couldn't get out because Southampton pressed us very well and when we got the ball we kept giving it away, the issue wasn't tactics it was quality.
 
Back
Top Bottom