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Match Tottenham v West Ham

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Mick Cooper said:
It's like you regress into a child.
It's the line I've always taken with him. I'd like him gone and a better player in to replace him. It's called an opinion Sammy.
Do try to behave like an adult.
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I had an opinion that Dele needed benching.

You called it abusing the player and accused me of thinking I know more than Poch.

If you think my behavior is cuntish, as I've said, look in the mirror. This is your behavior Mick, just repeated back at you, and you can't handle it.

Oh well
 
tbonepremier said:
Yes, they do, and it is. We have defenders with ball skills for a reason. Jan has often ran with the ball through the opponent's midfield or played clever, incisive forward balls, creating opportunities.

Dembele's abilities to dribble through the opponent's midfield often creates defensive havoc and imbalance. We are a lot more dangerous offensively with him in the team than with any other CM in his place.

Dier often tries, and sometimes succeeds, with long balls in behind the opponent's defence, and he often plays good crosses out to the wingbacks.

Sissoko does non of the above. He does though have the ability to run forward on the ball, but as there is rarely space to run into in our games, and his end product is shit, we very rarely can take advantage of his ability.
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I disagree that the players I listed add to our attack or it is their job.

Sissoko has scored two goals this season by the way. How many have Dier, Dembele and Jan scored? One between them?

Looks like he's added something to the attack that they haven't doesn't it
 
Sissoko also has 2 assists to one from Dembele, Dier and Jan put together.

So before anyone starts with the "So you think Sissoko is better" nonsense, I repeat.

I do not think it's their job to contribute to the attack anymore than it is Lloris getting the ball up field.
But to say the others have contributed more is factually incorrect, and Sissoko has also had less game time, yet scored more and assisted more.

But keep up the fake narrative
 
ThePreacher said:
BBC call it a "West Ham defensive masterclass"

I'd call it the death of a football team.


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they did defend well, I'll give them that, but thats what almost every team does in Wembley against us.

What really pisses me off is that teams like A*senal, Che*sea and the Arabs, they score early in the game and then they destroy the opposition.. we dont do that.. whenever we get a defensive team wasting time for 90 mins we have no idea what to do..

thats why I prefer to play attacking teams and hate these kind of games against shit teams.
 
sammyspurs said:
I had an opinion that Dele needed benching.

You called it abusing the player and accused me of thinking I know more than Poch.

If you think my behavior is cuntish, as I've said, look in the mirror. This is your behavior Mick, just repeated back at you, and you can't handle it.

Oh well
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Again, you keep on repeating the same bullshit as if - by repetition, it will become true.

That is not what my argument was at all. It is what you believe it to be in your own mind, but that's your problem. I will not let you try to make me believe it is mine.

I can handle anything that is justified, but you are so far up your own arse, you refuse to accept that you have got it wrong. As a consequence you keep calling me a hypocrite for saying things that I didn't say or mean.

But don't let that get in the way of your self delusion.

You know more than everyone, you DO NOT ever back down, and you will argue until you finally disappear up your own arse, have a shit fit and storm off the board.

Do me and everyone else a favour, stop starting fires everywhere after every game that we don't win. Its boring
 
I think Sissoko is great at some things. He runs really fast, he makes runs that break of the defending organisation. He also is fairly good at defending and linking up with Aurier. Too bad he's got two wooden legs.
 
Boltonspur said:
I say this grudgingly, but West Ham had a game plan & stuck to it. Call it boring (it was), unambitious (it was) but it nearly paid off.
Two great goals, but otherwise a very frustrating evening. We really do need to find a way to crack these “park the bus” outfits because these are games that we ought to be winning.
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Man City is the only team in the League to find a solution to this but I don't see us copying it by dropping £1.2b to get the last minute winner against Bournemouth, WBA, Huddersfield, Southampton, West Ham, Newcastle and still draw against Palace and Everton. All those games were last minute winners, that's the difference but it has come at a cost that we can't compete with.

All the other teams struggle too. Not making excuses and as a team we of course have to work on solutions but it's hard to really find fault with the application last night, we could have moved the ball faster, not played with 2 DM's, etc.. But we varied what we did, we tried it short, through the middle, over the top, round the sides, long shots it was all there.
 
Nabil Bentaleb said:
paulinho was much better
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Yet nowhere near as much of a liability as the quintessential 'Mr playing with 10 men'.

Hmmmm...

Challenge for all those revelling in Sissoko-bashing:

Provide 1 x peice of footage from this season where he has made an error that has cost us....
 
Christian's Eriksen said:
Winks has got the diagonal pass in him, he’s shown that. Disappointed not to see him last night. We could have players Eriksen deeper last night and started Lamela, but we didn’t know West Ham would sit that deep.

I wouldn’t want to bring someone in who’s going to disrupt Winks’ development, but at the same time we need a centre mid who can do both defensive and attacking jobs.
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Yeah but it would be a bit unfair to put so much burden on a youngster who's barely made his breakthrough last season.
 
Perspective:

If it wasnt for a fluke, wonder goal out of nothing we'd be celebrating a patient and well earned win and a 100% record over the crazy xmas schedule.

COYS!!!!!!!!
 
sammyspurs said:
Sissoko also has 2 assists to one from Dembele, Dier and Jan put together.

So before anyone starts with the "So you think Sissoko is better" nonsense, I repeat.

I do not think it's their job to contribute to the attack anymore than it is Lloris getting the ball up field.
But to say the others have contributed more is factually incorrect, and Sissoko has also had less game time, yet scored more and assisted more.

But keep up the fake narrative
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What a load of rubbish, so someone can play shit every week but because they happened to find the net twice it means they have contributed more than players who perform week in week out but haven't scored. Made this same point with someone else yesterday but, according to you granit xhaka contributed more for Woolwich than dembele did for us last season because he scored more goals.
 
Airfixx said:
Yet nowhere near as much of a liability as the quintessential 'Mr playing with 10 men'.

Hmmmm...

Challenge for all those revelling in Sissoko-bashing:

Provide 1 x peice of footage from this season where he has made an error that has cost us....
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To play devil's advocate, maybe Sissoko is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. By which I mean that currently (over the last 3 years) we have been tantalisingly close to seeing the premier league in our hands and that maybe, just maybe, two or three mega signings may have made the difference...
However...
Maybe we have been seeing a continuation of more make do signings/panic buys (or whatever we want to call them) and this has led to frustration at what is perceived as the latest one is Sissoko.
Personally I want him to succeed... But then I was the same with Chadli, soldado, Jansen, chiriches etc.
Maybe it's the current perceived trend of buying 'hopefully good enough' coupled with the trophies tantalisingly within our grasp that create frustration at certain players.
Is it fair? Maybe not
Is it deserved? Maybe not
Can I understand it? Sure
Do I feel the same? Sometimes
Does it change the love for my club? Never!

Oh well....just a few thoughts
 
tongax said:
they did defend well, I'll give them that, but thats what almost every team does in Wembley against us.

What really pisses me off is that teams like A*senal, Che*sea and the Arabs, they score early in the game and then they destroy the opposition.. we dont do that.. whenever we get a defensive team wasting time for 90 mins we have no idea what to do..

thats why I prefer to play attacking teams and hate these kind of games against shit teams.
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It may seem like we ae the only team to be frustrated because ofthe peddled narrative in the media but its just not true.

So far this season Woolwich have lost 1-0 at Stoke, scored a last min goal to draw 1-1 at St Marys, had a stalemate away at west ham, drawn 1-1 at west brom (which was 0-0 up until the 83rd min) and needed a dodgy pen in the 92nd min to win 1-0 at burnley.

Chelsea not so much, but have still dropped points against teams who have sat men behind the ball. City are the only team that have been consistent but even they needed Palace to miss two sitters to get a point against them.

Don't think we are the only decent side in the league that have struggled to break down teams who respect our ability to punish teams who try and play against us.

Equally we have beaten Huddersfield 4-0 away (when they had only conceded a single goal at home before that), Burnley 3-0 away and Stoke 5-1 at home. All teams that have attempted to "park the bus".
 
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theromanianjackass said:
Listen mate I keep hearing this, first of all Son's got pace and secondly, where could he get behind Zabaleta when West Ham's defensive line was around their box? In my opinion Son was doing exactly what we needed, took the ball and tried to get past Zabaleta by dribbling, but after he skinned Zabaleta a few times, he was often double teamed (Obiang I think it was who helped Zabaleta) and no one helped him. Son might be a good dribbler, but he's not superman to get past two/three opposition players. He needed more support as I said, if players were switching more down Son's side and tried to drag the other West Ham players around and put Son one on one with Zabaleta, I'm sure this would've been more efficient.
I also noticed we rely a lot on Eriksen to launch long balls to switch sides, the other players decided to pass it short to a near team-mate rather than trying a high risk pass to the other flank. We need more than that.
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I think it was Cuyate? that was assigned to join Zabaleta for double teaming Son last night. You and I talked about this in the match thread Poch needs to provide set ups that can isolate Son on one on one so he can ditrupt from side for either feeding to the middle or shoot or get pen. If that's not available and we are short of time to fuck around we need get Son more in front and square to the post to shoot
 
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