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Fully expect most people not to read this, but posted this write up on the Terborg tournament on Spurs Community, and may as well stick it on here too:

I won't go into much details about the games themselves, as RayLo has already done a great job of that on Spurs Odyssey. I'll talk more about individual performance. The theme you will see throughout this post is that I was extremely impressed by almost everyone, and encouraged for the future. It's quite long, so I won't be offended if you don't read it!

In our first game against Fluminense, we lined up like: Voss, Walker-Peters, Ball, McQueen, Ogilvie, Winks(C), Lesniak, Lameiras, McEvoy, Akindayini, Oduwa. Probably just about our strongest eleven of the squad out there. However none of the U18 lads had played a game for 3 weeks, and this definitely showed. We weren't our usual confident selves on the ball and were definitely second best. That said, I saw nothing from Fluminense that showed they were a far greater team than ourselves. Quite the opposite in fact - if we played them again, I'd fancy our chances to get something. Whatever threat we had in this game came mainly down the wing, with KWP and Oduwa in particular a threat. Those two combining was one of the repeating themes of the weekend, and it was great to watch at times. Oduwa was a threat all through the tournament, and I believe won MOTM vs Cruzeiro (I missed that match unfortunately - the 4am start on Friday morning caught up with me and I was in bed alseep!). We won 3 penalties in the tournament, and Oduwa won 2 of them (Walker-Peters the other).

After a disappointing 1st day, the Saturday was much more like it, albeit against 2 weaker opposition. Harrison started against Vitesse and I maintain he looks a better played than Akindayini depsite being 2 years younger. Naturally not as strong on the ball, but always looks more of a goal threat to me. Very good movement in behind too. That said, Akindayini did actually scored 2 goals to Harrison's 0 in this tournament, and looked over the moon with both. He always seems to enjoy scoring and that's great to see. The two are very different strikers though, so there could definitely be room for both of them in a starting XI.

Connor Ogilvie is really growing on me. Always thought he was a good player, but in the last few weeks and months he has really begun to impress. Doesn't do the flashy stuff that you'll see Oduwa / Winks / Georgiou etc do, but is hugely effective down the wing and very solid in defence too. I'd hope that in 2 or 3 years we would have solved our LB problem, but if we haven't, we may have a ready made solution coming through. That said, I think he considers his natural position to be CB, which in itself is extremely encouraging!

Harry Winks was in my opinion, our best player across the weekend. Dropped deeper in a couple of games and played more of a Modric role, and did it very well, but he was most effective when released further up the pitch, and was one of only a few of our players who could match the Brazilians on a purely technical level. Him, Onomah and Lesniak is a pretty perfect 3 man midfield IMO. Unfortunately couldn't see that this week as Onomah didn't travel, but hopefully we will see it in the U21 team in the next year or two.

Tom Glover played in goal for both these games, but unfortunately for him he had no opportunity to impress as neither side created any real chances. I feel like Voss is better with the ball at his feet, but Glover has more presence in the box (this is from seeing him in Dusseldorf too). Shot stopping I haven't seen enough to separate them. All in all, 2 more than competent keepers, but it's too early to tell if either are future first teamers.

Luke Amos played in both games on the Saturday. He played out of position at LB against Vitesse and whilst he was more than competent, he didn't look too willing to bomb down the wing, which is obviously a key part of being a full back. That said, I had a chat with his Dad last night and he says the club have no plans to develop him as a full back in the long term, he just plays there occasionally to get more game time. In the second game, he played in his more natural midfield role, and he impressed me. He's never really one who has stood out to me before, but I was impressed with his willingness to pick up the ball and his ball retention when being closed down. That said, Dalian were the weakest side there, so hopefully we can see him replicate that sort of performance against stronger opposition in the future.

Had the group stages been decided by GD, rather than H2H record, we would have qualified over Fluminense. Even the Dutch Eredivisie is decided by GD, so it was just this tournament. If that isn't Spursy then I don't know what is!

However, this stroke of bad luck actually led to our best moment of the weekend on the Sunday. In the 5th / 6th
playoff against Feyenoord, we completely ran the show. The games were just 60 minutes, so a 4-0 win is a thrashing. This, against one of the best academies around. I am extremely confident that if we had found ourselves in the other group, we would have qualified for the semi finals, and this game reaffirmed that. Akindayini, Lameiras, Winks and Georgiou scored (I thought Winks got 2, but I'll definitely go along with Ray, who thinks Lameiras got the 2nd). Winks was the best player on the pitch in this game. Hardly put a foot wrong, and got himself a goal and assist to show for it. All over the pitch it was pretty much the perfect performance and a great way to round of the weekend. Even better when you're the only Spurs fan surrounded by Feyenoord fans!

The highlight of my weekend personally was having a short chat with Roy Makaay about youth football and football in general! He was there as coach of the Feyenoord team. He said he was very impressed with Spurs, and said we seemed much more technically able than other English teams he'd seen in the past. He commented in particular that he liked the look of Filip Lesniak. This was all before we beat them 4-0, so wonder what he thinks now :ROFLMAO: Haven't really said anything on Lesniak, but he was fantastic at breaking up attacks and starting off our own (usually by giving it to Winks!). Winks certainly seemed to be able to play his game better with Filip behind him, and this was never more obvious than in the first half against Feyenoord.

That pretty much sums it up for me! Looking forward to seeing these lads progress as we've certainly got a talented bunch. I certainly think we deserved better than 5th place overall.

Also, Fluminense did this before every game. How good is this! Better than a poxy huddle on the pitch:

 
As promised, a little write up of the first day in Dusseldorf. It's worth remembering this is an U19 tournament, and we've taken an U18 team without a couple of players too.

First off, my phone died before the second game, so I couldn't make notes, plus for some of the names I am relying on the announcer who I know isn't very reliable (Oduwa apparently scored our second goal, but he wasn't on the pitch at the time), so apologies if anything is wrong!

We won the first game 2-0 against 04 Dusseldorf. We got off to a slow start and could have been behind, but kept it at 0-0 and as soon as we scored, we began to completely dominate, and ultimately could have won 3 or 4-0. Lloyd Ross got the first after great work down the left from Georgiou, and I believe Georgiou himself got the second (certainly not Oduwa...). MOTM in that first game was probably Josh Onomah. Bossed the midfield against guys 3 years older! He's a very promising talent.

Also worth noting that Ismail Azzaoui, the 16 year old we were reported to be signing from Anderlecht a while ago, played the last 15 minutes and looked very tasty indeed. Always looking to beat his man and usually did. He did also play in the second game, but had less of an impact against a stronger Wolfsburg team. I asked Kieran McKenna at full time if he'd joined permanently. The response was, "have you heard something then?" followed by a smile and "he will do". Suggests it's not on the dotted line yet, but this is certainly more than just a trial.

In the second game, we lost 1-0 to Wolfsburg. They were definitely better on the ball and much, much bigger all over the pitch. They deserved the win on the overall balance of play, but we actually had more clear cut chances (3 to 2 I'd say). All 3 of ours were 1 v 1s and all 3 were hit straight at the keeper (Harrison at 0-0, Onomah and Akindayini I think, at 1-1. Ogilvie set up two of these, one with a magnificent 60 yard ball right on the money. Their goal was right behind the dug-out from where I was stood, so couldn't see clearly, but it was definitely an own goal. Looked like one defender hoofed it against another and it Rick O'Shea'd in (tm US Soccer Guy!).

Tom Glover, a goalkeeper we signed from a team in Australia played this second game and looked established. Very calm on the ball and solid handling too. Had 1 shaky moment in the very first minute - a bit of a mix up with the centre back, but sorted it out in the end (although Wolfsburg appealed for handball outside the box).

The games are only 25 minutes per half, so it's hard to give an in depth review and rating for each individual player. We have Leverkusen and Zagreb tomorrow. Leverkusen is a must win because I don't fancy us against Zagreb (beat Wolfsburg very comfortably). As a side note - 16 year old Dino Halilovic played for Zagreb and looked a class above. When you consider he's supposed to be the less promising brother, Alen must be something special. The Spurs TV camera was up for the first game, but I didn't see it for the second. I hope they were filming it from somewhere and they release highlights.
 
Just got back from the training ground, where our U18s drew 2-2 with West Brom. WBA were 2-0 up at HT, and we pulled it back in the second half, but it's no exaggeration to say we could have won 7-2. Even in the first half we were the dominant team, but two sucker punches had us on the back foot. Their first goal came straight after a blatant hack down on our CM but the ref gave nothing. Fair to say our bench wasn't impressed!

Josh Onomah (16) and Cameron Carter-Vickers (only just turned 16) were probably our two best players, which given their age is hugely encouraging. CCV reads the game so well, and for his size and build, he is very good on the ball. Onomah just doesn't give the ball away. Strong on the ball like Dembele, but has the agility and footwork of a winger. He's got a bright future.

Their keeper was definitely MOTM - great saves from Oduwa (who was also class), Akindayini, Ogilvie and Sonupe. Our keeper had nothing to do but pick the ball out the net twice! He also seems to have a thing for rolling it out or kicking it short, even if it's not really on. Nearly got us in trouble a couple of times.

Anthony Georgiou came on after 60 minutes and scored soon after following a cracking through ball from Winks. He then equalised with 5 minutes to go - Luke Pritchard tried to touch it, but failed, and I think he was offside. Nothing was given though and it's another of those interfering / not interfering situations. We deserved to get the decision though because as well as the foul before their first goal, we had a goal disallowed at 2-1 for a foul, but nobody around me could work out where this foul was.

The whole second half was attack vs defence, and we had chances right up to the end, but we couldn't find a winner. Can't really be disappointed about a 2-2 draw when you were 2-0 at HT, but if there was such a time, it's today!

Also, I was stood next to the pushiest, most demanding, and to be honest most annoying parents ever. I think it was Kane Vincent-Young's Mum and Dad, and they just could not find anything positive to say about anyone, especially Kane. I wanted to hit them both after about 5 minutes. They seemed to think they knew more about how to play football than anyone on the pitch. Felt sorry for their kid having to go home to them - it was so obvious he was just going to get an earful even though he played perfectly fine! Rant over!
 
I have decided to have a look at the Development squad and the Academy boys to see who might be best years pre-season tour and who might need to be registered in the squad of 25. A little overview.
Players marked with underline and a star* are the players that are currently the highest rated.

Development squad/Academy first and second year.
The Schoolboys, like Sterling, Bennetts, Edwards, Brown, Tanganga not included.

Goalkeepers:
Jonathan Miles
- born March 93. That means that he must be registered in the squad of 25 if we want to use him at senior level next season (Premier League sub). Signed a one-year deal last summer. Probably not getting it renewed? Has sat a lot on the bench for the U21s.

Jordan Archer - born April 93. He has been involved on the bench for the first team. Had a good loan spell at Northampton which earned him a new loan spell in the Championship for Millwall. I think his contract is running out and McGee might be preferred ahead of him and Miles next season as the third choice GK. He looks set to get a good league career though, not sure that will be at Spurs.

Luke McGee
- born September 95. He'll be 20 this year and doesn't have to be registered in the squad until the 2017-18 season. Was clearly rated by Poch as he joined the pre-season tour in the summer. Played a lot for the U21s this season.

Harry Voss - born January 97. Just turned 18. 2nd year Academy. He made the steps from U16 till 18-level at Spurs last season. He is a few years younger than the goalkeepers in the development squad and that could suit him well if he makes further steps forward. Competes with Glover at U18-level.

Thomas Glover - born December 97. 1st year. The young Australian is almost a year younger than Voss and was picked for the semi final vs Chelsea after Voss played the match vs Woolwich which we won a fortnight ago. Still a bit small in size, but good reactions.

Thomas McDermott - born January 98. 1st year. He is currently behind Voss and Glover in the pecking order in the U18s. Whether he will make it and push the other two for the GK spots at the U21 level in a few seasons will be interesting to see.

Defenders:
Grant Hall -
born October 91. Has done well whereever he has been on loan, but he is already 23 and with young players like Dier (already in the first team) and Carter-Vickers in his position you get a feeling that he will be moved on after his loan at Brum this season. Needs to be registered and I'd say it's a no go.

Ryan Fredericks -
born October 92. A pacy fullback/winger that has games for the first team. Not sure he has kicked on as we'd hope he would do, but he has had a decent loan at Middlesborough this season. Time is running out a bit for the lad though, already 22 years old. Needs to be registered, and there are other highly rated right-sided defenders behind him in the age groups.

DeAndre Yedlin* - born March 93. He has been included here despite already having caps for the US senior team, but he is still a young one that hasn't had games for the first team. Of course, he is seen as a very promising young player that has amazing pace to burn. Crucial time for Yedlin now, as he needs to get used to England and the culture. He turns 22 this month and needs registration for next season, along with Pritchard for instance. Hopefully he can make the step and be cover for Walker next season.

Dominic Ball* -
born February 95. He has just turned 20. He had been capped at U-16, 17,19 and 20-levels for Northern Ireland but has since switched to England and has been rewarded with call ups at U19 and 20-levels for them. He played well with Veljkovic last season for the U21s. One of many promising centrabacks at the club. Still has age on his side and has gone on loan to Cambridge where he has played 4 times since January.

Alexander McQueen
- born March 95. Has still a way to go before he needs to be registered. 20 this March. According to reports he has done quite well for the U21s. Need to out on loan next season to make the next step, if we keep him.

Connor Ogilvie*
- born February 96. Just turned 19. This lad has been highly rated for a while. Seems his star has vaned a bit now, might be wrong. Reads the game well, but needs to get league experience too.

Anton Walkes - born February 97. 2nd year. He is also a player that has been a regular for the U18s for a while and has made his debut at U21 level. Still got a few years to show his worth if Spurs decides to keep him on. Has captained the U18s at times, and that could be seen as a sign that they believe he can be a player.

Kyle Walker Peters* - born April 97. 2nd year. The technical skilled full back is being viewed as one of the most promising players in the Academy. Has already had quite a few very good games at U21-level and is currently among the best in the U18-group. Important years coming up fro KWP, as he is still a bit slightly build. Looks very talented though. Has earned caps for the England U18s.

Christopher Paul - born September 97. 1st year. Paul has being in and out of the team the last few months. He is versatile and has played in midfield at occasions, but lately he has played at right back.

Christian Maghoma - born November 97. 1st year. He has been the partner of CCV in most U18 games this season. He's a resolute defender who is also well developed physically. Probably behind Carter-Vickers, but has also earned praise for some good performances. Big advantage to have played as a pair for the whole season.

Cameron Carter-Vickers* - born December 97. 1st year. He already played for the U18s as a schoolboy. This imposing central defender already looks like he is soon about to get his first few minutes for the first team. Physically he is already very much developed, at least for youth level, but his reading of the game has impressed many. Has already been called up to the US U23-team. Hopefully he can avoid injuries and be be involved in the first team as soon as the coaches think he's ready.

Joe Muscatt - born December 97. 1st year. He normally plays as a fullback, but has played at centreback as well. Has played in a few important matches this season for the U18s side, but is currently not first choice when we play our best team.


Midfielders:
Christian Ceballos
- born December 92. Already turned 22 this winter and has to be registered to be able to play. Last seen on the bench at Hull away at the end of November, not sure where he is? Injured? I think it's safe to say that he will be on his bike this summer.

Alex Pritchard*
- born May 93. Very skillfull player with good vision. Free-kick specialist. He has had good loan spells at Swindon and this season he has shown that he can do well at Championship level, where he has been very good at times. He might be one for the first team squad next season. He needs to be registered though. Hopefully he will use the summer well to bulk up a bit.

Filip Lesniak
- born May 94. He will turn 21 this summer, so that he won't need a registration until the 2016/17 season. Many have been very positive about Amos, but ahead of him might still be Lesniak who plays in the similar role as well, although McEneff played there last match. Just made the step from the U18s in the summer and is finding his way at the new level. The Slovakian has been rated, but the competition is hard in his age group and below! Time running out?

Kenneth McEvoy - born September 94. Has been rated earlier, as he is, like Sonupe and some of the younger Academy kids skilllful and pacy. He has went on loan to Colchester at the end of January where he has seen plenty of match time. Hopefully that will continue though. He is another one that will need to bulk up a bit if he's going to make it at the top level. 21 years old this autumn, so it takes another year for him to get to the age group where he will need registration.

Grant Ward - born December 94. Same age as Lameiras, but has already had a quite successful loan at Chicago Fire last season where he got 18 games. Not bad for a youngster really. Described as quite versatile, can play as a wing back too. A bit of a make or break next season for Ward, maybe a new loan?

Ruben Lameiras - born December 94. Two years younger than Ceballos. Also known to have a lot of skills on the ball. Has just returned to U21s duties after an injury break. Hopefully he'll get some experience next season at league level. Needs to be registered in the squad of 25 ahead of the 2016/17 season. Has since left to Swedish team Åtvidaberg on a permanent transfer.

Tomislav Gomelt
- born January 95. The young Croatian has been away on long loan deals for a while now. Once to Antwerp and once to Espanyol B. He didn't play much here, but keeps getting caps at U-level in Croatia. This season he went to Bari where he has made 7 appearances until now. Not sure where he fits in in the picture, but again, he has fierce competition around him.

Aaron McEneff
- born July 95. Becomes 20 in the summer. Has had a terrible injury set back that meant that he was out between September and February. Started the latest U21 game and it will be good to see whether he can fight himself back. Anchored the midfield at the last game.

Milos Veljkovic*
- born September 95. Still only 19, he is a very highly rated defender/midfielder who has already made his first team debut, was involved in pre-season and has been picked by quite a few as one of those likely to make it to the first team. He got a loan to Boro early in the season, but due to good form from other central midfielders he didn't get too many games. He went got Charlton at the start of the season where he started very well, but in February he was injured and it's thought that he is out of the season. Hopefully he will recover well from that set-back.

Harry Winks*
- born February 96. One of those is the youngest Harry who has of course already got his first time debut. Highly rated at the club, has been training with the first team and a regular for the U21s. Expected to be one of the best candidates to get into the first team squad. Maybe he will be sent out on loan next season. He is one of those is sure to stay, hopefully he will develop further.

Dele Alli* - born April 96. He is only a couple months younger than Winks, but having spent his career at a lower profile club (Mk Dons) he has not only clocked up an impressing number of appaerances, he has only scored loads of goals. Unlucky to get injured just after confirming his move to Spurs, but looks already like a very gifted box-to-box midfielder who will be in the first team squad in the coming 1-2 years already.

Nathan Oduwa
- born March 96. Born in the same month as Sonupe below. Winger/striker. Often a goal threat when he has been playing for our Academy sides. He has also been sent out on loan, which will be good test. He has had 6 games for Luton so far. Also capped at U17-18-levels for England. Caught the eye with some good performances last season.

Joe Pritchard - born September 96. 2nd year. Highly rated, but unlucky to break his leg last year. Pritchard hasn't played for the U18 team since the Norwich game in November. He usually plays centrally or just behind the striker.

Lloyd Ross - born December 96. 2nd year. He is a defender/midfielder who seems to have gotten quite a few chances lately and done rather well too. He is of slight build as many of the players in the Spurs academy. It will be crucial for him to build on the experience he has been getting for the U18s.

Luke Amos* - born February 97. 2nd year. Amos has come a bit out of the blue for me and others, but he is already showing a great deal of good football understanding which is important in his position as a defensive midfielder. He was probably man of the match in the first leg vs Chelsea on the youth cup. McEneff, Lesniak and Ward are other players doing the holding role at the level above, but Amos might be the player to look out for.

Anthony Georgiou - born February 97. 2nd year. A pacy tricky winger that has an eye for goal. Still a long way to go, with quite a few players older than him ahead him in the pecking order he has shown that he can take responsibility when it's needed, like in the FA Youth Cup QF vs Man. United where he scored twice.

Cy Goddard - born April 97. 2nd year. Japanese youth international. Goddard is slightly built and if he keeps developing he might be kept until we can see whether he has enough skillls to make it or not. Not heavily involved at U18-level lately.

Joshua Onomah* - born April 97. 2nd year. There's something about Onomah. He already looks like a skillful midfield maestro and he still isn't older than 17, 18 in April. England youth international who looks very promising. Exciting player who has already got his first team debut. One to look out for!

Armani Daly - born September 97. 1st year. Another winger who has played a lot for the U18s and also done well in some of them. It has also earned him a place on the bench for the U21s. Crucial next season, as some of his age group might be moved up to the next level already.

Charlie Hayford - born November 97. 1st year. he has gradually been more involved in the U18s team getting starts after Christmas. Went off injured vs Chelsea in the league. Hopefully it's not a bad one and he'll be back soon.

Charlie Owens - born December 97. 1st year. He is a versatile midfielder who has had the honor to captain the U18-side this season. He has played as an anchor and in a more attacking role when he played in the semi final vs Chelsea.

Ismail Azzaoui* - born January 98. 1st year. Spurs brought in this highly promising Belgian youth international who has just turned 17 at the start of the year. He has played some very good games for the U18s and is certainly one of those whizz-kids that will have the spotlight on them. Whether he really makes it enough has a lot to do with his mental strength, whether he is prepared to work hard and how he develops physically.

Zenon Stylianides - born January 98. 1st year. Same age as Azzaoui. Started the semi final vs Chelsea. He has been heavily involved for the U18s starting most games lately. Right sided midfielder who can play inside.

Strikers:
Shaquille Coulthirst -
born February 94. Just turned 21, but won't need a registration until next season. He has just had a loan at Southend that was said to be quite successful and it's always good to get that first loan done at League level. Spurs will be looking to get him out on loan again. Hopefully he will make further development from here.

Daniel Akindayini
- born October 95. Turns 20 this year. Scored a lot for the U18s last season and that earned him a place in the U21s this season. See that many are not convinced he will make it at Spurs. Facing fierce competition from the name above on this list who might be just ahead of him.

Emmanuel Sonupe
- born March 96. Young pacy winger and striker who has been capped at U18-level for England. Exciting times for Sonupe who has been sent on loan to St.Mirren where he has come of the bench three times. Hopefully he will use that loan to good effect. Still only 19 years old.

Willian Miller
- born June 96. Still a young lad, turning 19 this summer. Miller is one of those skillful players that have a slight build. These players are seen a lot at Spurs and they often need a bit longer. Capped at U18 level for England.

Shayon Harrison - born July 97. 2nd year. He did well last season, scoring 12 goals for the U18s. This season he has done well to build on that. His hat-trick vs the Goons a fortnight ago was probably his highlight of the season so far. He has pace and skill and is someone many look forward to see in the next few years.

Ryan Loft - born September 97. 1st year. Behind Harrison in the pecking order in the U18s, but the tall striker has taken his chance and scored a few important goals when he has had starts. Might be first choice next season for the U18s.
 
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I watched all three of the Under-19s' games yesterday. We were probably the best in terms of physicality in the tournament, but were behind Japan and Roma in terms of technique. The Japanese were particularly impressive - their full team was very entertaining in the Confederation Cup and the next batch seem likely to emulate them. Roma's #10 Daniele Verde (who scored the screamer against us) really impressed me, he seemed to have that assured arrogance about him that a lot of top players have. The Vietnamese were better than I thought they'd be too, despite finishing with three losses. It was nice that we were involved in a cracker with them in the final game too - doubt it created any die-hard Vietnamese Spurs fans but just having the club involved in a crowd pleaser is always good. Great atmosphere too - reminded me of the 2002 Worlc Cup where the Japanese & South Korean fans were terrific.

So, our players. As I said, the ones who impressed me most did so through their sheer physicality rather than technical ability. The exception to this was Joshua Onomah, playing as the furthest midfielder in our 4-3-3. After some fantastic dribbling and a one-two with Akindayini, he received a harsh yellow for an adjudged dive in the box during our first game against Japan (it was either a penalty or a great tackle, definitely not a dive). A couple of minutes later his through ball was finished by Akindayini for our equaliser. He came on for the last 30 minutes against Roma when we were 1-2 down and although I can't remember anything he did off-hand, we were all over them towards the end. Against Vietnam, he was phenomenal. Run after run into their box, including this one which led to our winner. A very exciting prospect, especially as he's still only sixteen years old.

After Onomah, Nathan Oduwa was the next most impressive. He was the only player to feature in every minute of all three games, owing much to his strength and physicality. He scored a cracker to give us the win against Japan, then winning a penalty against the Vietnamese. Strong, durable and also versatile in being played on both sides of our 4-3-3.

Other players who caught the eye were:
  • Daniel Akindayini - center forward who is enormous but not great technically. Will have to improve as he plays against opponents as big as him.
  • Filip Lesniak - Slovakian holder with good positioning. Reminded me of Modric when we weren't in possession - slight build but good interceptions. Two good penalties as well.
  • Harry Winks - The only player who I felt really put his foot on the ball for us. Captained us in the two games that he started.
  • Alexander McQueen - Center back (and right back), probably the pick of our defenders and played all but one minute. Headed against the crossbar in the last minute versus Roma.
A nice little tournament to fill the void of post-Christmas games. Also good to put a few faces and styles to players whose names I had only ever read about in match reports.
 
Thought I'd stick this in here, although not quite legit as we sold him last year but seeing he was an academy kid with Kane, Mason, Townsend etc. thought more appropriate I'd post here.
Well done Adam Smith, this is how you do selfies.
 
News through that Man Utd have lost 1-0 at Wolves and Liverpool have lost 2-1 at West Ham this evening which means the U21's have won the Elite section as they now cannot be caught...

Spurs will play the play off winner in the semi-final (Everton winners of group 1 v Newcastle or Norwich).. the other semi-final will be Liverpool v Man Utd (who have still to play each other in the Elite section before the semi finals...

A really great day for both U18's and U21's....
 
Really enjoyed watching the U21's for an hour! Game changed massively when Ball was sent off. Think we should be tougher to break down even with 10 men.

Am not as familiar with many of the players as most of you if course. Had my season ticket for 10 years or so but only my 3rd U21 game ever. Thought our #2 has a real chance - is that Alex McQueen? Looks a bit slight but will fill out as he gets older I'm sure. Gets up and down, rarely does anything flash, but rarely gives the ball away or makes a wrong decision. Impressed with him.

Sandro's pass completion rate must have been about 15% but his demanding the ball rate was 100%!! He could have just hidden and popped the ball about easily but not a bit of it ! He put a real shift in but looked short of match fitness. A top man, made a point of saying hello to my little girl and I briefly before the game as we were stood on our own.

Kane, Fryers and Rose stood out. Coulthirst and Coulibaly worked hard but we did insist on kicking it long to them!

The penalty and sending off really changed the game though, and we didn't seem to try and change anything to stay in the game which was disappointing and a bit worrying. We'd bossed it till that point! Should have been 3 or 4 before half time really. Seemed to be loads of other managers (Phil Brown the most notable) and Scouts there so maybe we didn't change to give the youngsters the best chance of securing a decent loan?

The highlight for me though was Franco Baldini running to get a ball that had gone for a corner! Hilarious! Good to see Tim shake every player by the hand before kick off as well. He acts like he's in charge, which again I think is a positive. He encouraged from the sideline but let the coaches do their thing. If he and Baldini have problems with each other they hid it well!

Sorry that's a bit long and boring - bit thought is share what I thought. Oh, and Kaboul came over and watched the last 20 minutes - he's an absolute monster of a man! Playing against him must be horrific!!
 
Veljković's beautiful pass and Ceballos' silky finish ...

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Is there any inkling of which youth players have been let go? I'm pretty much expecting Walkes & Lloyd to go, perhaps also Goddard who has been peripheral.

From the development squad I'd imagine
Jon Miles will go (again).
Alex McQueen has been out on trial and rumoured to be leaving.
Grant Hall probably can't be described as a youngster but he'll out I'd have though.
Christian Ceballos has been talking about leaving for months.
Aaron McEneff has been out on trial and has also been peripheral (he wasn't helped by the Northern Ireland FA taking six months to green light his move, which meant he couldn't play for us for ages after signing).
Daniel Akindayini hasn't looked up to much so I'd expect him to move on.
Will Miller although a tidy little player is obviously not going to make it at this level so I wouldn't be surprised to see him drop down to a Championship club's development squad.
Manny Sonupe was rumoured to be out of contract and he has struggled to impose himself at U21 level so it wouldn't be a total shock if he was to leave.
Tom Gomelt has been out on loan again but made little impact so I would pretty surprised to see him return to the club.
Kenny McEvoy hasn't developed at all in the 4 years he's been with us (he joined us at U16 level) and will be let go, I'm sure of it.
Shaq Coulthirst burst onto the scene as a real hot prospect but he's looked increasingly less and less like a scorer or creator of goals in that time. I'd expect to see him plying his trade in League 2 or Conference National level rather than sign a new deal here.

In the reserve group that leaves:

GK: Luke McGee
CB/LB: Conor Ogilvie
CB: Dominic Ball
DM: Filip Lesniak
CM: Harry Winks
MF: Grant Ward
CB/DM: Milos Veljkovic
LW/AM: Nathan Oduwa

McGee, Ball, Winks, Ward, Veljkovic & Oduwa will be either envolved with the first team or out on loan building on their progress. Ogilvie and Lesniak have been less consistent and probably face a make or break year.

Moving up from the U18s to the U21s (assuming my contract predictions are borne out):

GK: Harry Voss: Not especially impressed by Voss, doesn't organise or communicate well enough, but suspect he'll play a lot of games as McGee goes out on loan.
RB/LB: Kyle Walker-Peters: Special player epxect him to go out on loan after Xmas.
CM: Luke Amos: Another player with big potential. In the Bentaleb mould. Probably a year too early for a loan.
LW: Anthony Georgiou: Going to struggle I think and will probably move on next summer.
AM: Josh Onomah: Bags of talent but not quite up to speed I don't think, still too early for a loan.
CM: Josh Pritchard: Probably got a reprieve, in a cruel way, by breaking his leg. He's a solid but not spectacular central midfielder. Will have to make serious strides this coming season not to be forgotten about.
AM/ST: Shayon Harrison: Lacks pace which is always going to hold him back. He scores bundles of goals without ever seemingly getting involved and playing well. Could be the next Harry Kane if he bulks up into a beast but very much doubt it.

As for the First year scholars the only movement I could potentially see is keeper Thomas McDermott going out on a season long loan to another club's U18s as he's going to get very little game time competing with Tom Glover, Alfie Whiteman and Brandon Austin.

The U16s coming up are a very promising bunch. By my reckoning we have:

GK: Alfie Whiteman (England U16 keeper)
GK: Brandon Austin
CB: Japhet Tanganga (England U16 captain)
CB/DM: Jack Roles
LB: Jayden Brown (England U16 left back)
LB: Nick Tsaroulla
CM: George Marsh
CM: Dylan Duncan
AM: Marcus Edwards (England U16/U18 no.10)
AM: Sam Shasoua
ST: Keanean Bennetts (England U16 left winger)
ST: Kaziah Sterling (England U16 striker)

Its not confirmed so I can't be sure but a striker called Aramide Oteh may be part of the group and the mysterious Romanian central midfielder Rares Lazar may yet join.

Of the group Tanganga and Edwards are absolute stars, for me.
 
Thanks for this mate. I follow him on Twitter, he writes very intelligently! Such a knowledgable guy, he must spend a lot of time researching and watching youth football.


I'm pretty sure he's told us he was a young pro but his career was cut short by illness. I'm not sure in what capacity but, but he's been watching youth football for the last 5 years.

This was his first post on SC:

Hi I'm new here (and a Chelsea fan, though I'm predominantly neutral when it comes to youth football, and a massive fan of your academy, which is how I ended up on this board, silently observing for the last year or so).

One of the things about this board is that is fairly insular and having been round the country watching youth football for the last five years or so I'd thought I'd widen the context to give you a better view of where your academy stands in comparison to everyone else. Particularly, considering the upcoming FAYC tie, your south west London neighbours.

I first attended a Chelsea reserve game as a twelve year old in 2004 and was appalled by the standard. I had a youthful idea that between the ages of 18 and 21 some enormous improvement would take place and they would blossom into premier league footballers. It was informative to watch them disappear below conference level, retire, and a few end up in lowly Scandinavian leagues. The poor quality I'd observed then made sense. The matches I'd seen had looked like sub-conference football. (Incidentally a number of that period's players are now progressive coaches, such as McKenna and Chelsea's U18 manager Joe Edwards. Both of whom at 28 are the countries youngest tier 1 youth team managers.)

Ten years later I cannot believe how good academy football currently is and the full story, of which Tottenham is a part, is too complicated to cover here. It takes in the FA youth development, under Trevor Brooking, which prioritised the ages of 5-11, the thinkers of that period employed at the FA (including Terry McDermott) the rise of young innovators slowly pushing out the old boys in academies, the predominance of Spanish, Dutch, German, and Belgian youth development showing the way forward and accelerating the innovators advancement, and finally the club's internal stories. Since 2005 elite youth football has undergone a revolution in talent ID, coaching, infrastructure, and culture. The two main clubs who haven't progressed at such a startling rate were both youth football powers in 2005: Woolwich and Man U. While the latter are still generally strong, although far surpassed by their neighbours, and the former desperately trying to make up lost ground having realised too late they were being left behind, both are significantly behind the modernism of youth football's big three.

EPPP classifies academies over all areas from facilities to general welfare provision but if you were to take the three most important criteria: the quality of talent ID, players and coaches across all age groups; you would get three academies who stand out far above the rest: Chelsea; Tottenham; and City. I saw people saying the difference between Woolwich and Tottenham is the facilities, but they are only a symbol of Tottenham's attitude towards youth development. Facilities mean nothing compared to what goes on inside them.

Over the last decade elite youth coaching in this country has divided into the new school and the old, with the new spectacularly winning. Its culture emphasises intelligence, understanding of psychology, the importance of education and above all the focus on developing technique and character with the understanding this will lead to success in the long term, even if the smaller less physical, but more talented, boys are not able to win everything in junior groups. This is something that for ages has been antithetical to English football. Simultaneously in talent ID the focus has moved from early physical developers (who win youth football matches) to skilful late developers (who win senior football matches) to the extent Tottenham now effectively reject boys who are too big by telling scouts to prioritise on smaller boys. Just as Chelsea do. This also comes with an understanding that just because a boy is tiny or average compared to his peers aged eight doesn't mean he won't grow to be 6'4' like Ruben Loftus-Cheek while still retaining their technique.

In Woolwich's case they have become outdated because Brady wouldn't remove the coaches and scouts who were once regarded as the best but whose methods didn't advance. He couldn't bring himself to be disloyal to them having been made so successful by them. They haven't got worse, they've stayed the same (which of course, when everyone else is improving, is equivalent to getting worse.) They have some excellent internally produced players such as Chris Willock and Reiss Nelson (U15) but these came about more from the advance of grass roots football beneath them than any improvements on their behalf. It may be strange to hear but in many cases Tottenham's facilities were not decisive in swinging a boy's decision to come to Spurs over Woolwich, as they hadn't even been to Woolwich, whose scouts saw and overlooked them.

Talent ID is not as simple as it appears, spotting talent aged eight, is much harder than when they are twenty eight and everyone on the pitch has physically matured. Equally challenging is the age old problem of the academic year group, 75% of youth players above the age of sixteen were born between September and December, why? Because when they were scouted they were between 8-15% older and more advanced than their peers born in August so naturally they looked better than them. When they are seven or eight, that gap is the same as pitting your U14's against your U16's. This is a problem which still persists but it is noticeable Tottenham were one of the first in realising it and you now have one of the most widely spread age ranges, so you're not limiting yourselves to 33% of the talent pool. For example even if clubs had been focused on small technical boys fifteen years ago they would have missed KWP (July births are still very rare.).

I could go on and on about the changes but that's enough for an overview. Sufficient to say Tottenham are right at the forefront of improvements.

Now to Chelsea. 2005 is an important year for them because it was when Abramovich's demands for a successful youth policy were formulated by the newly appointed head of academy Neil Bath. All the contracted age groups from reserves down were formed of players, apart from a few notable exceptions, who weren't good enough. To make up for this at U18 level massive recruitment from abroad was instituted to raise the standard. For this Frank Arnesen was chosen at geriatric Dutch super scout, and Abramovich advisor, Piet De Visser's behest. The most successful of Arnesen's signings were Fabio Borini, Gael Kakuta, Patrick Van Aanholt, Gokhan Tore, Miroslav Stoch and Jeffrey Bruma, all of whom failed to become Chelsea regulars but are now playing in top tier European leagues (if you use the Harry Redknapp definition of top, ie a few are not playing in top top top leagues, such as Stoch who is on loan from Fenerbahce to Al Ain, who play in a bottom bottom top league.)

Far more rewarding for Chelsea was the focus placed on the young age groups from which the team on Thursday has largely been reaped and means that Chelsea's reputation for producing foreign youth teams is slowly lessening. This was where the real hope was placed ten years ago and the standard of the youngsters at U18 level is the highest it ever has been. Chelsea have never judged their performance on the league table since the league side changes from week to week, but the FAYC. In the last three years their worst result has been the semi finals in 2011, where they lost against the Pogba, Morrison, Lingard, Will and Michael Keane, Man U side. They've reached four finals in five years and only lost one of those. This hasn't been done since the Busby babes.

The trouble is no player has gone on to the first team despite a few who have merited the chance. This is not an issue confined to Chelsea as those who until recently have lamented Tottenham's failure to realise the un-glistening riches in the youth teams shadows that begin to sparkle when exposed to light, can attest. It is for that reason Pochettino is one of my favourite manager's right now. At last one of the big three academies has a manager who will trust its produce.

While my fondness for Poch isn't completely disinterested as I forlornly hope Chelsea may be encouraged by his success, my main focus is that talented people are being allowed to fulfil their gifts.

The famous Michelangelo quote is that every block of stone has a sculpture inside it and it is the sculptor's task to find it. The task of dealing with youngster's of immense potential is similar.

For too long English youth development has been wantonly smashing up pieces of stone then wondering why so few of them turn into perfectly crafted sculptures, before finally deciding it was because there are only a few pieces of very special stone that when smashed become elegantly arranged, rather than finding their regressive treatment of the materials to be at fault.

The fact is of those born between 1982-92 there were somewhere between 5-20 boys who had Marcus Edwards' level of talent and 20-40 of Josh Onomah's but they were not allowed to fulfil it because of the backwards system it was filtered through. Considering the financial fortunes swilling around in clubs at the time, to me that is a crime against human talent, that there are people who have that talent in them but will never be able to fulfil it, not because of their own failings, but that of a system designed to extract it from them. That still infuriates me, because that, to me, is the greatest abandonment of the community these clubs were originally set up to serve. That fulfilment of their own members potential should be their greatest priority (not to mention Barcelona, Munich, and Ajax have proved it's the only way to build a truly great football team).

He really knows his shit.
 
Our u-16's are 1-0 up after a few minutes against Colchester. Apparently this group, according to a few people who follow youth football immensely closely, is the strongest we've had in recent times.

Here's the starting line up

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Reo Griffiths, Timothy Eyoma, Nya Kirby, Tashan Oakley-Boothe and Oliver Skipp are all England youth internationals and the stand out players.
 
West Ham away. Bunch of loud noisy Spurs fans turning up, our intentions might be good but theirs...just refer to stereotype. With the internet being what it is, someone will read about 1882 and there would probably be a welcoming party to greet us.

Good point, I was going to give this one a miss for the very same reason (I'm shit at fighting). It's a shame really because it would have been great to have had the chance to see some future Spurs legends currently playing for the West Ham youth team
 
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