The VAR team controls the video that the referee sees on the sideline, and they only showed the moment of ball to hand. If the referee had been shown the longer tape he might have seen the push that sent Dier's arm upwards. From what the referee was shown, and based on the rules at the time, he didn't have a choice but to give the penalty. The failure was firmly on the VAR team not showing him enough to make the fuller decision
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You're right; in trying to create respect for referees they've done the opposite by taking away any accountability. I'm not saying they should have to go on camera to explain their decisions (as much as I would love that) but managers and players should be allowed to say when they think the referee has made a wrong call without fear of a disrepute charge.
Is that a VAR official being biased? If i was sat there i know id be thinking twice bout giving woolwich dippers or chavs anything. Are these guys vetted
Agree almost totally. My only caveat to your post is that I'm totally in favour of VAR when it helps us - as it has done recently.
Spent a little bit of time reading exactly how VAR is supposed to be implemented by The FA and PGMOL.
It is quite clear that it's intended use is:
- To aid the on field officials with missed incidents. Example - Brighton penalty on Saturday - however soft it worked well in this example.
- To make factual decisions such as offside and whether a foul is inside or outside the area. In this respect it is true to say that, by and large, this leaves it open to question when people are judged offside on the basis of an armpit or whatever. The rules have to, in my opinion, be changed for offside as by The FA's own admission there is no room for wiggle on how they implement offside using VAR.
It is a positive step that the referee can now go and take a look at the monitor as well, though we've already seen, against Brighton that pride comes before a fall.
I've slavered on enough but I basically hate VAR for the most part and would sooner get it to fuck.
However, in the event that we're likely stuck with it, the laws themselves have to change and be absolutely clear for it to work properly.
It is quite clear that it's intended use is:
- To aid the on field officials with missed incidents. Example - Brighton penalty on Saturday - however soft it worked well in this example.
- To make factual decisions such as offside and whether a foul is inside or outside the area. In this respect it is true to say that, by and large, this leaves it open to question when people are judged offside on the basis of an armpit or whatever. The rules have to, in my opinion, be changed for offside as by The FA's own admission there is no room for wiggle on how they implement offside using VAR.
It is a positive step that the referee can now go and take a look at the monitor as well, though we've already seen, against Brighton that pride comes before a fall.
I've slavered on enough but I basically hate VAR for the most part and would sooner get it to fuck.
However, in the event that we're likely stuck with it, the laws themselves have to change and be absolutely clear for it to work properly.
It's a fair point but even in those replays, he could have seen the push surely?
I know that he's also just reviewing the handball, just like the Lucas handball when he was pushed to the ground but it's just yet another farse that VAR presents us with.
No I noticed at the time, the part the referee was shown on the video was after the push only. They showed repeatedly the ball hitting his arm but nothing of the contact with Lascelles.
Wow! It's madness.
People actually think this is good, that has enhanced the game.
It’s terrible.
Ruining the game
It was funny at the weekend because Liverpool were finally getting their comeuppance but ultimately it’s shit and as bad as the officials were before this it was better then. It will be even worse when we are back in the stadiums not knowing whether we can celebrate goals or not.
People actually think this is good, that has enhanced the game.
Its offside. i dont see what the problem is?
People were moaning about mendes from the halfway line. Now every decision is accurate and people are still moaning. What do you actually want?
I agree with neville that var is ok, but they need to stop using arms. It should be chest or front foot as the measure.
I dont agree. Tired of being on the receiveing end of shit decisions. I now have more confidence that we get the results we deserve (bar newcastle)
Every decision was the right decision in the Liverpool game.
Rules need tweaking too
Absolutely.