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I think the refs in England absolutely hate VAR. So since it came in have been doing their best to create controversy and cause more problems than before VAR came in. I honestly think privately the refs here want it gone. Before teams like Liverpool got lots of iffy decisions, with VAR they get even more.
 
Archie said:
I think the refs in England absolutely hate VAR. So since it came in have been doing their best to create controversy and cause more problems than before VAR came in. I honestly think privately the refs here want it gone. Before teams like Liverpool got lots of iffy decisions, with VAR they get even more.
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The best use of VAR is in Rugby. Firstly, and most importantly, the number one person in charge is the on-field ref. He is the one that instigates it's use, he is the one asking those in the VAR room for a certain view, speed it up, slow it down. He's the boss, he's telling them what he wants to see so it helps him make a decision. Secondly, we fans both in the stadium and at home hear word for word what the officials are saying to each other, so we can see what they are looking for, and how their are developing their decision. (This is the big sell, it removes the likes of Jamie Redknapp or Neville oooooing and arhhhing then speculating what they think they saw. (On this point I learned the other day that the VAR officials apparently have their commentary on when they are watching the game!! So when Neville screams "he's got to go, after every Romero tackle is there not an unconscious bias at least cropping into that decision, turn that commentary off now!).

I can't get my head around why the Refs wouldn't want a tool that helps them to make a decision. But if I was a Ref I would absolutely HATE VAR if it was the VAR room buzzing me about a review 10 times a game. I have no problem at all if the Ref say lads I didn't see it, can you bring up a picture for me etc...
 
Guido 🇺🇦 said:
The best use of VAR is in Rugby. Firstly, and most importantly, the number one person in charge is the on-field ref. He is the one that instigates it's use, he is the one asking those in the VAR room for a certain view, speed it up, slow it down. He's the boss, he's telling them what he wants to see so it helps him make a decision. Secondly, we fans both in the stadium and at home hear word for word what the officials are saying to each other, so we can see what they are looking for, and how their are developing their decision. (This is the big sell, it removes the likes of Jamie Redknapp or Neville oooooing and arhhhing then speculating what they think they saw. (On this point I learned the other day that the VAR officials apparently have their commentary on when they are watching the game!! So when Neville screams "he's got to go, after every Romero tackle is there not an unconscious bias at least cropping into that decision, turn that commentary off now!).

I can't get my head around why the Refs wouldn't want a tool that helps them to make a decision. But if I was a Ref I would absolutely HATE VAR if it was the VAR room buzzing me about a review 10 times a game. I have no problem at all if the Ref say lads I didn't see it, can you bring up a picture for me etc...
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Don't follow Ruby Union that closely but when i have followed recent tourenmounts there was loads of bitching about VAR, could be its use in implementing the new rules but if even the best use is still heavily criticised.

VAR refs don't have commentary when watching the game.
 
r-u-s-x said:
Don't follow Ruby Union that closely but when i have followed recent tourenmounts there was loads of bitching about VAR, could be its use in implementing the new rules but if even the best use is still heavily criticised.

VAR refs don't have commentary when watching the game.
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I was heard/read(???) about this only last week but can't remember where now, annoying. Must admit I was shocked. If I remember where I'll post it
 
Guido 🇺🇦 said:
The best use of VAR is in Rugby. Firstly, and most importantly, the number one person in charge is the on-field ref. He is the one that instigates it's use, he is the one asking those in the VAR room for a certain view, speed it up, slow it down. He's the boss, he's telling them what he wants to see so it helps him make a decision. Secondly, we fans both in the stadium and at home hear word for word what the officials are saying to each other, so we can see what they are looking for, and how their are developing their decision. (This is the big sell, it removes the likes of Jamie Redknapp or Neville oooooing and arhhhing then speculating what they think they saw. (On this point I learned the other day that the VAR officials apparently have their commentary on when they are watching the game!! So when Neville screams "he's got to go, after every Romero tackle is there not an unconscious bias at least cropping into that decision, turn that commentary off now!).

I can't get my head around why the Refs wouldn't want a tool that helps them to make a decision. But if I was a Ref I would absolutely HATE VAR if it was the VAR room buzzing me about a review 10 times a game. I have no problem at all if the Ref say lads I didn't see it, can you bring up a picture for me etc...
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I had no idea the commentary was on, that’s insane.
 
they're introducing the challenge system, like the one in tennis. I've been asking for this for years. Great idea and will stop the bullshit complaints. "you sure? well challenge it then." Hopefully the end of the ridiculous antics on the touchline.

Come to think of it, I wonder if that's why Klopp is leaving?

www.bbc.co.uk

VAR trial of two tennis-style reviews per match in new system

Fifa is trialling a 'VAR-lite' system in youth football where coaches can request two reviews per match by "twirling their finger".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Nick Trevor Sharp said:
That’s why the failure of understanding “clear and obvious” has been the failing of VAR.

To me, that was a pen. But it was highly subjective so VAR in that instance sticks with the on-field call. You can say the ref was harsh, that it was soft, but not that it was plain wrong.

And there’s the rub. The VAR ref has fundamentally misunderstood their role; to only overturn absolute obvious errors, quickly. Not to try to get the exact correct call after 20 viewings, but to check there hasn’t been a complete & definite error.

VAR is a perfectly good idea, horribly badly implemented. As usual for football associations. We’re better off without it unless they get to grips with the above.
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Always interesting to go back to see what your opinions were at the outset.

This I said 6+ years ago, and nothing has changed.

If they haven't improved in six years, why does anyone believe they'll improve in the next six?
 
TottsAmazeballs said:
they're introducing the challenge system, like the one in tennis. I've been asking for this for years. Great idea and will stop the bullshit complaints. "you sure? well challenge it then." Hopefully the end of the ridiculous antics on the touchline.

Come to think of it, I wonder if that's why Klopp is leaving?

www.bbc.co.uk

VAR trial of two tennis-style reviews per match in new system

Fifa is trialling a 'VAR-lite' system in youth football where coaches can request two reviews per match by "twirling their finger".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Been saying this is the way it should go for ages.

Only way it's gonna work in a game like football and only having 2 managers and players won't waste em
 
Quite like uefa VAR. X-ray style. I look at Woolwich's 2nd goal and jesus handballed it. Imo refs and VAR are scared to upset crowds with decisions. Will never change. Personally id prefer uefa refs. Control games much better.
 
I did enjoy how the MotD commentator didn't shy away though. Said it was handball, said it's a foregone conclusion that it'll be overturned when the ref was sent to the monitor, was vocally shocked that he gave the goal. That in itself feels like progress, even if the pundit team were keen to insist it was never handball.
 
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View: https://x.com/dalejohnsonespn/status/1793613566588883109?s=46
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5. Sept. 16: Aston Villa 3-1 Crystal Palace
Villa were awarded a spot kick in the 93rd minute, which the VAR told the referee should be overturned. However, at the monitor Darren England rejected the advice and stuck with his decision. It was 1-1, and Villa went on to score twice in added time.

7. and 8. Sept. 30: Aston Villa 6-1 Brighton & Hove Albion
Two wrong decisions, both against Brighton. First, with the score 1-0, an Ollie Watkins goal should have been ruled out with Nicolò Zaniolo in front of the goalkeeper. Then the third goal from Watkins in the 26th minute should also have been chalked off for a foul by Douglas Luiz on Solly March.

9. Sept. 30: Tottenham Hotspur 2-1 Liverpool
The most-infamous VAR error of them all. A communication error by Darren England led to Luis Díaz's goal remaining disallowed for offside. It was 0-0 at the time and Spurs scored their first goal a few minutes afterwards.

11. Oct. 27: Crystal Palace 1-2 Tottenham
Palace's stoppage-time consolation from Jordan Ayew was allowed to stand when it should have been ruled out for handball.


Table With VAR Errors Fixed​

CLUBPOS. CHANGEPOINTSPTS. CHANGE
1. Man City=910
2. Woolwich=890
3. Liverpool=820
4. Tottenham+1660
5. Aston Villa-166-2


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