Watford VS Tottenham Saturday Jan 1st 2022 @3PM

[To Dare Is To Do.]

20 shots / 9 on target / 2.2 XG(*)

Their keeper made some good saves.

2 vs their 1 in terms of contentious penalty non-calls.

We deserved to win.

We fully deserved to win last game too.



(*I'm no XG guy, but it's funny how peeps only cite it when it makes us look bad.)

Okay but our play itself wasn't good enough.

We didn't have many clear cut chances apart from when they gave the ball away to Kane. Son had a half chance from Lucas pass. What else?

 

[Airfixx]

When he played as a lone ST he didn’t play back to goal tho, like Ronaldo he looked to run in behind. We aren’t using his running currently, he’s not running with the ball out wide or running in behind (generally)

I get that there are varying way to play around your ST, but if you're gonna play Berg / Son / Lucas like was the narrative for much of the summer and early part of Nuno's run, and yet have no regular creative MF; then your CF best be able to hold the ball up and get their head on the end of some crosses or you're pretty fucked.

 

[Airfixx]

Did Son just “Culturally Appropriate” himself doing a karate kick celebration

 

[matspur]

Then you'd think Traore would be far more productive this season........ BUT.......

He is playing with average players

 

[matspur]

Sometimes there are players where you can't wait for them to retire so that Spurs can no longer be linked to them.


For me; Traore is one of those players.

Let’s hope we sign him then and he does well for us so you can eat some badly needed humble pie

 

[lumimuyiwa]

Watching the game Chavs v pool and the pace and intensity they play with compared to our pedestrian often sloppy style is like chalk and cheese.

Something we can only dream of, Chelsea have quality, some expensive some not so.
Liverpool got Tsimikas and Jota for peanuts when compared to the quality they posses.
How they got a free run at Jota is beyond me.
Chelsea literally have players we need but aren’t guaranteed starters.
Saw what Kante did for the goal and I look at our midfield and I can only dream.
The way Alonso and Trent spray balls around is juicy.

 

[lumimuyiwa]

Yup that is true but it’s also about the mentality to attempt to play a more adventurous attacking pass especially first time. That needs to be coached and also drummed into the players. I fear we have now had 3 managers who like to play counter attack football rather play zipping the ball around and having players making runs to receive the pass. I will always rennet Glenn use to say that a forward pass is only good if a player makes a run.

That is probably the said Tottenham DNA.
Because 3 coaches?!!!

 

[Airfixx]

Let’s hope we sign him then and he does well for us so you can eat some badly needed humble pie

Got no problem being wrong..... I'd rather I was if he ends up here.

Are you really that seduced by his skills then?

 

[oldwiltshireyid]

*Lee Dixon commentary intensifies*

Lee Dixon is a first class twat

 

[Airfixx]

No I just think he is better than what we have. If you asked a selection of defenders who they would least like to face out of say Bergwijn, Moura or Traore I am pretty confident who they would pick

I think you missed the latest meeting. Everybody banging on about Traore wants him as a wing-back now.



FWIW though; on current form/output I'd take Lucas > Traore hands down.

 

[ThePreacher]

Traore is a completely different beast to Royal. A fit and firing Traore takes people on for fun drawing the opposition defenders towards him and by doing so creates space for his team mates. You are comparing apples with oranges.

Traore has the same end product as Davies, Reg, Doherty, Tanganga, Royal and Seggs.

Fuck all.

Pretty good defenders but offer nothing going forward.

 

[matspur]

Said at the start of the season, only Jennings should be considered above him.

Hugo has been a very good keeper but Clemence was more consistent and a better commander of his box with less rushes of blood

 

[r-u-s-x]

It doesn’t negate anything. It just means his style of play doesn’t suit tippy tappy Spain

He's playing with good players, that negates he's ineffective because he plays with bad. Tippy tappy is a different point (Spain haven't been that for a while but that's a different point)

 

[KaneDomBadBoy]

As far as I can tell, both Nuno and Conte have wanted to play with Kane running in behind, but the through balls just never come. If you go back and watch almost any previous match (yesterday wasn't the best example but the point remains) and just study Kane all game, you'll see him constantly pointing out passing lanes and making the runs.

Actually, that's false. The through balls have been coming - he's just been missing a shit load.

He's missed plenty of sitters this season.

One, via Igula 's favorite player, who put it on a sliver platter for Kane a week or so ago.





Then against Brentford from an exquisite pass from Skipp




Then via a perfect pass from Dier against Woolwich




Need more Igula ?

 

[KaneDomBadBoy]

That doesn't tally with the number of games in which he's had almost no touches inside opposition boxes or the number of games in which he's literally not had a shooting opportunity.

A single example of a Kane miscontrol is utterly meaningless. A run-through striker needs to be receiving those kinds of passes multiple times a game every single game if they want to dominate.

And anyway, none of that has anything to do with the sheer number of missed opportunities for forward passes that I'm talking about. Without a denominator, hand-picked examples on top are worthless.

Kane's non pen shot conversion rate is 6%

His goals under xG is -3

He's among the least clinical strikers in the league

He's not doing good enough.

Full stop.

 

[Ulrika Jonsson]

We’d be playing 343 only if our wingbacks actually understood or knew how to execute the role, we have Aaron Wan Bissaka 2.0 as a wingback, and a downgrade on Danny Rose on the left. nothing can actually come out of it. Seeing that they’re both more defensively oriented, we play 523 with a midfield 2 that are DM’s so maybe we play 7-0- 3. Considering the players we have, I think Conte should have adapted to a 4 man defensive line up and allowed the team flourish at least till he got those he felt would deliver to him. I thought we had the players for 343, but we actually don’t.

I also don’t trust Ndombele tbh, I like him, he is the most skillful, technical and entertaining footballer in the team, you just need a DM who would consistently cover for him, that shouldn’t be too hard to ask, and if we had done that, eventually his game would grow and he would become more responsible. His style of play is largely dependent on confidence, he is a very risky footballer, but those are the genius type ballers, see Veratti, if I coached him, I’d have shot him literally. But they thrive on confidence, making them disinterested wouldn’t help.
PEH has offered nothing for half the time since this season began, but he gets the nod, same with Son. Only person who is at risk is Reggie, I mean he doesn’t cut Reggie a slack, he can do same with others I think.
If I were a midfielder and I watched PEH play the way he’s been playing, I’d low key be offended that I don’t get a look in, my confidence would slowly die, I really would like to see Ali/Bergwijn play off Kane instead of Son

I’m gonna foul you as a Woolwich troll. I’m sorry if I’m wrong but when I look at your post history I can’t see that you are one of us.

 

[lumimuyiwa]

Not really been given much of a chance to be honest- a few minutes here and there. Maybe his style doesn’t suit the Spanish international team’s way of playing which must mean he’d be crap for us!!!! And of course these international managers always know what they are doing, Southgate, Capello, Greenwood, Taylor, Erickson etc. I mean Ray Wilkins played more times for England than Glenn Hoddle did so I guess you must think that Ray was the better player as well.

I understand your optimism, but if we do the same things and expect a different result, we’d be making mistakes we can’t afford, if Moura has a better end product, I’d rather play Moura as RWB, Traore would pretty much be the guy who runs the wing back effortlessly without doing anything absolutely with it, I haven’t paid attention to his defensive abilities, so that would be a sacrifice I’m not sure we can make, if he is replacing say Doherty, I wouldn’t mind honestly, but we can’t have a dead right wing. And a dead left wing when that’s what it looks like Conte wants to build his team on.

I’m gonna foul you as a Woolwich troll. I’m sorry if I’m wrong but when I look at your post history I can’t see that you are one of us.

I don’t have a problem with that,
I don’t watch football for the scores, I would enjoy a 4-3 win over a dire 1-0 win. It’s an entertainment sport that has absolutely lost its taste.
I am fine with Conte like I said before now, he isn’t the coach I’d want, but he is what we need at this phase.

 

[Kiwi]

Watching the game Chavs v pool and the pace and intensity they play with compared to our pedestrian often sloppy style is like chalk and cheese.

Earned more points but… used less energy

 

[Murphy]

When's the last time any team EVER had 200 shots with 90 on target?

Probably us, against a team that rolls over for everyone else. Also sounds like that United game where De Gea had a worldie.

 

[Murphy]

Traore has the same end product as Davies, Reg, Doherty, Tanganga, Royal and Seggs.

Fuck all.

Pretty good defenders but offer nothing going forward.

You now Reggie has registered six PL assists right? In a season and a half? That's not exactly no end product. 3 last season, 3 already this.

Cancelo, who everyone is raving about for his link up play has 4, just one more than Reggie.