Will the MLS or Chinese Super League ever become more than glorified pub leagues?

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You seem to grapple with trying to figure out why the US doesn't fall in love with football, then express the same sort of xenophobic bias that holds football back in this country whilst belittling sports that are/were not part of the culture you were raised and live in.

Seriously, fella, if you want to understand why football isnt bigger in the US all you have to do is look in the mirror. Its because the US is full of people like you that view anything foreign as inferior.

As far as the quarters, TV, and commercialisation - american football, basketball, and baseball were all divided into their sequence of play long before the radio was invented, much less a television. The corporations have absolutely taken advantage of the way play is divided but they didn't create them. You're making false generalizations to try and make a point, but all you're doing is detracting from the meaning of your statement.

In short, you're being obtuse. You aren't interested in discussing the subject at hand. You simply want to proselytize on why Americans are stupid. It's quite annoying.

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I'm not trying to grapple with anything, but taking the piss out of someone as full of themselves as you (clearly are) was too good an opportunity to miss, so belittling your core sports is too good an opportunity to pass up.
I have been to professional baseball and football (robocop rugby) games in the US, and all I can say is that you have an awful lot of quarters to have ad breaks in. Apparently an american football game lasts 3 hours and 12 minutes on average, and consists of around 11 minutes when the ball is actually in play, and 20 advert breaks in the TV transmission. (An average NFL game: more than 100 commercials and just 11 minutes of play), I can't be arsed to look up similar stuff in baseball, but the one game I went to which was one of the world series games that year was so boring, I neither knew or cared who won, and left after 5 innings and 200 ad breaks.

So far from being obtuse or making false accusations, I am merely describing how the sport has been overtaken by the advertising machine as a vessel for their products, and diluted whatever visceral thrills exist from watching a truly engaging sporting contest. I have no beef about America or Americans, nor an axe to grind - but I know what I like, and an advert fest with sport breaks isn't one of them. I don't think the sports are inferior because they are not British, I think they are inferior because they are paralysingly boring, more so for the commercial bastardisation they have descended into.

Two of my favourite sports are decidedly non British in origin, and whilst football is, it was taken over by the rest of the world a long time ago and is now a truly global sport. Americas 2 major sports are largely ignored by the rest of the world, why is that, do you think? 5 of the 10 most played sports in the world are British and I only care about one of them, which kind of pisses on your assessment of me being of the same mindset as your fellow countrymen.

I think you might actually need to take a long hard look in the mirror, because your assessment of me is way off beam, you were getting your leg pulled and you have taken it all to heart, and come out swinging. I'm sure your wonderful president would be proud of you.
 
Average Attendence for the MLS > Brazil / Argentina / Eredivisie / SPL

They are doing alright building a fan base, would be good if they could work out how to link the tiers for promotion. Their biggest challenge is to sort out the Academy system so its not only middle class who can succeed.
Pro/rel is literally never going to happen. You can mention it and mention it and mention it, but it's never going to happen. The owner of LAFC who just bought his place for hundreds of millions of dollars isn't going to vote to endanger his investment so that the Tampa Bay Rowdies get a fair crack at glory. There's no point in even bringing it up, though that doesn't seem to make a difference to anyone.
 
Wow, that is a lot of bollocks you've said there.

I'm assuming you're living in the states, if you ever come over the pond, let me know. I'll take you to a Wealdstone game (my treat) or some other team like Hendon or Hackney Wick and see if their fans think they are shouting at the night? I guarantee you'll find nobody agreeing with you.

When Tottenham were relegated in the late 70's did you ever think they'd challenge to win the top division again?

Have you never tried to better yourself and get to the top of your profession? Or did you think I'm here and here is where I will stay?

You come across as lacking any sort of ambition. This is a very alien concept to me.

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Brighton had no ground and were nearly relegated to non league football as recently as 1996.
It is amazing what they have achieved, of course it's to early to say that they are "secure" in the PL, but still....
 
Why do amazing moments like that never, ever happen when I watch entire MLS games? The closest I can remember is Toronto FC scoring about three goals in stoppage time once. It was such perfectly-crafted drama I did catch myself wondering if it was fixed or not.

It also completely fucked up the bet I had on the game. Bastards.
 
Came here to ridicule this. Fucking shite...is this Miami Vice? Are the players all going to be issued gold chains, linen suits, boat shoes, and Lamborghini Coutaches? Put that badge on the most aqua uniform in history and it'll be complete.

You can tell the ship is being run by Becks....clearly went down the fashionista fad-of-the-week route rather than the build-something-that-will-last-decades route.

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One more club trying to pander to the Latinos
 
Agreed. Demographically it makes sense, but if MLS lasts 50 years its gonna be weird a bunch of people who dont speak Spanish supporting Internacional.
I don't know about that. No one gives it a second thought when we think of Real Salt Lake and their supporters.

The fans of Miami will probably just call it Inter Miami or Miami and no one will bat an eye. What am I talking about? Fans? Everyone knows barring College Football, there's no such things as a sporting fan base in Florida.
 
I dont even really know if college football has a "base" as much as 3 historically good programs and a populace that shifts between them depending on which way the wind is blowing.

Florida and Southern California have that in common, the weather is too nice and there's too many other things to do to waste time supporting losing teams. I know how much you're gonna hate that comparison, but its true.

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It's a little true
 

Lost my shit when that happened. Went from dreading the fact that we were going to lose in the last second to a 10 man Orlando City, to relief that we at least weren't going to suffer another embarrassing loss, to ecstasy when 4'5" Lucho Acosta scored a header off a Hail Mary long ball. All in the space of 15 seconds.

Fucking great.
 
Never once mentioned pro/rel, all I did was mention the environment/atmosphere of the sport as a whole in this country.

I have never expected pro/rel to come in, though I do believe that having pro/rel at lower levels would be a positive. I'm not sure if there's any precedent for this in football, but in some countries (most notably Finland) their top hockey league is set without pro/rel while the 2nd tier and lower are subject to pro/rel. What are your thoughts on that?

Hockey is a niche sport, but in 7-10 NHL markets it's the most popular sport in the area. Where in the US/Canada would football be even the 3rd or 4th most popular sport? The NHL survives because of a handful of markets that keep it profitable, MLS would have to figure out how to do the same.
I can't imagine any form of promotion or relegation. It's entirely foreign and if the end game is the USL and other leagues being absorbed as minor league affiliates then its wholly incompatible as clubs would want a defined structure to cycle their developmental players through and not have to deal with their 3rd tier club suddenly leapfrogging their 2nd tier club. It's a romantic idea that's antiquated in modern terms and will likely be disappearing from even Europe.

The NHL makes its money, mostly, from the markets where it's far less important. Most of the markets where hockey is undeniably the #1 sport are basically worthless. It's why Winnipeg originally lost its team, why the Nordiques are gone, and why the North Stars originally left for Dallas. The finances of the NHL all come from NY, Chicago, LA, Toronto, Dallas, and Montreal. It's why Houston is expected to land a franchise very soon, not Quebec City. In 2018 what matters, in every sport and to every league, is eyeballs on television screens and penetration in major metro markets. That's what the MLS needs - they need the NY and LA franchises to be as good as possible, they need quality teams in the other areas, and they need a way to convince people that Chicago v Portland is worth tuning in for at 3pm on Saturday after they just watched Spurs v Liverpool at noon. The MLS needs to focus on increasing its level of play, not scattering teams to all provinces. US fans will care when they think they're watching legitimately quality teams, and not a moment before.
 
Austin getting a team in 2021. Owned by the controversial and despised Anthony Precourt who got ousted from Columbus Crew after he tried to move the Crew to....Austin.

Already described as the most hated team in the league and they are not set to join for another 2 years lol
 
Austin getting a team in 2021. Owned by the controversial and despised Anthony Precourt who got ousted from Columbus Crew after he tried to move the Crew to....Austin.

Already described as the most hated team in the league and they are not set to join for another 2 years lol
Can't possibly see little Austin being a much hated franchise. Columbus kept their team, surprisingly. If they want to be mad at anyone over the fiasco it should be Garber and MLS - the idea of relocating from Columbus to Austin was pushed by the league because Columbus brings in fuck all as a media market.

Austin is destined to be the same as most the clubs in the league - make weights. The city isn't in the top 10 attractive MLS cities for potential international players which means they're going to be stuck trying to develop players (in a market where neighboring Houston and Dallas have massively better youth) and fighting every other club in the flyover states to unearth quality Central American/2nd or 3rd tier South American players.

They even lose out on the hipster cunt contest, easily, to Portland.
 
2 games in but Almiron already looking good and taking to the Premier League like a duck to water - so smart scouting proves that players are worth buying the MLS.
 
2 games in but Almiron already looking good and taking to the Premier League like a duck to water - so smart scouting proves that players are worth buying the MLS.
Perfect use of the January window really.

Also may open up the eyes of younger European players that you can go to the MLS and develop before returning to Europe.

Let's see if anyone takes a second gamble next winter.
 
Bit disappointed USA haven't started producing a better level by now , thought with the investment we would have at least seen a dozen Americans doing well in Europe's major leagues or an MLS side closing the gap on the south American teams a little bit they seem to have regressed as for China it's still early days but the standard is a disgrace. All each seem good for are a decent retirement packages for players who no longer give a fuck , does anyone see it changing ?
I'd personally love to see football grow and produce worldclass players and teams in America and China but just can't seeing it happening.
 
Pretty sure football (soccer) is way down the list of sports in the US of A. Baseball, American Football, Basketball, etc, etc are all ahead. I don't see that changing any time soon.

They have attempted to inject life into the MLS and other incarnations so many times before, nothing sticks.

When you have had people like Moore, Pele, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Beckham, Best, Eusebio, David Villa, Keane, Pirlo, Henry, etc, etc, etc, etc go to America and still it hasn't taken off or generated some interest at grass roots, then you know you're in trouble!!

As for China, that is just a retirement home at the minute.
 
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