indeed, as the point in case was without dembele
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Transfers Summer 2017 transfer window or, waiting for Godot
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indeed, as the point in case was without dembele
You have yet to establish that any of the data is flawed.
I don't disagree that Gylfi and Barkley play in very different teams. I don't know of many players that would be flattered by Koeman's style of play, but that wasn't the point of the exercise. Paul did not actually try to make Gylfi look better than Barkley, either. He rather explicitly says that they don't play the same way, and Sigurdsson would not be an improvement on Barkley.
If it's not in an Everton fan's interest to find those stats, why does Paul in that article both do so, and point them out?
For that matter, did you read the article I linked?
Would love to know who in our first eleven people are saying we need to improve on, vs the competition. And how we could.
are our 'back ups. good enough?
lloris
vorm
alderweireld dier vertonghen
carter-vickers no cover wimmer
walker ----------------------------------- rose
trippier ---------------------------------- davies
wanyama ----- dembele
onomah ------ winks
eriksen ------------------ dele
lamela ------------------ son
kane
janssen
vorm
alderweireld dier vertonghen
carter-vickers no cover wimmer
walker ----------------------------------- rose
trippier ---------------------------------- davies
wanyama ----- dembele
onomah ------ winks
eriksen ------------------ dele
lamela ------------------ son
kane
janssen
New = Vecino
according to Italian media.
Probably most of you guys do not even know who he is but I assure he would be a great addition.
His buyout clause is € 24M
Don Giovanni
what's the problem with Son Heung-Min?
Dembele is one of the best midfielders in the league. He is the one who wins is the midfield battle, controls the play and makes things tick in the middle. I wouldn't want to sacrifice him.
We do have the strongest starting 11 in the league. If you were to combine our squad with any other in the league, the majority would be our players. It's just about finding the right balance and having the squad depth when players are injured, like last season with Alderweireld, Lamela, Dele, Rose and Kane missing large parts of the season.
Barkley would add vital depth. Lemar would be a great addition as he's what we've been looking for in Njie and GKN but better. Son is our version of Mane, and had just as good a season. The only reason he didn't get recognition like Mane has for the past season is because of how well Kane and Dele played, where Liverpool didn't have other stand out performers.
Get Sessegnon in & working with Poch.
We've got Winks to come back, Lamela too (hopefully)
Edwards could be the ace card coming through the ranks.
Keep Walker
Get Toby signed up to a long term deal
Wimmer & Sissoko look likely to leave. No great loss there. GKN can go too. That should raise enough cash for a decent splurge on an attacking option like Lemar.
If Carlsberg did transfer windows...
We've got Winks to come back, Lamela too (hopefully)
Edwards could be the ace card coming through the ranks.
Keep Walker
Get Toby signed up to a long term deal
Wimmer & Sissoko look likely to leave. No great loss there. GKN can go too. That should raise enough cash for a decent splurge on an attacking option like Lemar.
If Carlsberg did transfer windows...
Definitely wouldn't say no to this. Maybe an alternative to Lemar?
A lot of talk about Adrien Silva as well.. he'd be a good addition.
The way our window usually goes, every player we have mentioned won't come and it'll be others who are a complete surprise (like Son) or a real let down (Sissoko, Fraiser Campbell)
Never really had backup for Mane, so i disagree, we needed to spend up front regardless whether we needed defenders. It's actually quite strange that people think we won't spend big on our defense now that we signed Salah. Its well-documented hat we have considerable money to spend. I expect another center back and left back to sign in the next 3 weeks.
Berardi is quite the carbon copy of Lamela
If you go and spend £100m+ on 3 players and don't win anything, where does that leave Klopp?
Wouldn't judge him totally on playing for the most boring National team in existence though. I like him, he's versatile player too, plays all the central midfield roles from DM to number 10, I prefer him futher forward
Don't know him. It seems only Italian media are on it. From what i've seen from Italian media is they always seem to report on something that never happens. I am struggling to think of a single transfer story that has actually happened.
Tottenham looking to sign Fiorentina midfielder Matias Vecino | Sportslens
Don't they have about a dozen papers that only do sport in Italy? They have to print something every day I guess.
Right...
So he establishes a meaningless measure of "where they receive the ball", goes on to explain that Siggy plays like an attacking midfielder, and Barkley like a DLP, but then says "fuck it, they're the same, let's do this"
He then plucks out a passmap which clearly shows Siggy as playing like an attacking midfielder down the left flank, and Barkley as a deeper-lying midfielder, claims to "predict" the difficulty of passes, then even admits as much himself:
No shit.
He then talks about the horseshit models of "Expected Passes" and "Expected Assists" (yes, because that has nothing to do with the player they're passing to
)Then, makes this statement:
No way! Who would have thought a midfielder for Woolwich, City or Chelsea would have much more chance of getting an assist than one playing for Swansea or Everton
......
....World Cup, European Cup, Europa League and multiple Serie A winning Llorente?
He then claims
...because Siggy has scored more free kick from taking more free kicks.
no way!Then we have:
Could that be because they don't play in the same fucking position!
So you've wasted everyones time writing the article. Cheers. I look forward to his piece on "Can Pickford replace Lukaku"?
So, after discovering that the article did nothing but explain that they have fuck all in common on a football pitch, you say:
When it was actually a shit comparison of Gylfi versus Barkely, and I can only assume you "really, really, really don't want us to sign Ross Barkley" because he plays in a different position to Siggy?
He doesn't have a judgement - he pointlessly makes comparisons before admitting that they are incompatible.
Why, if you read the article, do you need me to take the time to reiterate that? What exactly did you glean from it?
I can't take any analysis like "Expected Assists" into account, because it bears no attention towards the most important factor in an assist - some other fucker scoring it. Put Messi in a pub team and he'd never get an assist if Fat Graham up front has the shooting skill of a 6 year old.
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We must stop thinking about the first 11. We need a large enough squad of first teamers to allow us to rotate between the CL and Premiership without playing weak teams as last season or knackering the players. On Sept 1st the club included Lamela, Sissoko and Janssen as being good enough for that. Lamela will not be fit until at least October, and the other 2 have yet to prove they are good enough. Walker who is good enough could leave meaning we will be weaker. We therefore need more players. All of which need to be good enough to play in important matches. We need players as good as Davies and Trippier that can rotate in other positions. Wimmer does not appear to be trusted either meaning we need a CB that can be trusted. Once we were out of Europe we were able to play pretty much our first 11(injuries permitting) most of the time. This is not possible during September-December with CL. Making wholesale changes for cup matches does not work. Therefore what Poch does with Trippier/Walker needs to be copied elsewhere.
I read somewhere that the club want sales first and it is worrying that nothing is happening on that front. Still early days but we need new players to go through pre season or it will be months before they play.
I read somewhere that the club want sales first and it is worrying that nothing is happening on that front. Still early days but we need new players to go through pre season or it will be months before they play.
Just had a skim of that article comparing Siggy and Barkley. Bit odd he adds other players (Ozil, Hazard, Payet, Coutinho, Firmino) into the mix. Yet somehow manages to ignore one of the finest central attacking midfielders in the league who these players would be a competitor to if they were to join us.
Can you guess who that is? Not one mention.
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