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Transfers Summer 2017 transfer window or, waiting for Godot

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Also strength in depth wise we were very unlucky with injuries last year and still came 2nd with a miss-firing but loveable Jansenn, mystery hip Lamela and two completely ineffectual french men, get one or two of them into something resembling form and they are (mostly) high level footballers, we were probably saved by Son last year in all honesty and after his first season I think he was pretty much written off by Spurs fans (I wasn't holding out much hope) and he came in and performed brilliantly in his second season.

Sissoko - ballon'dor 2017/2018 :roseunsure:
 
sammyspurs said:
What are you talking about?

Change my stance? I'm backing the manager......our policy is young players and signings he can get the best out of.

If he wants Barkley then great.....what should I do, hate Barkley and hope he's shit to be right? No, I'd hope he can become our Cantona in a few years.

I trust the manager, so if he signs players, I will trust his judgement and if he doesn't I will be equally satisfied.

People claiming to trust Poch, but only if he does what they want.

I find it astonishing that the people demanding we spend money are not talking about a striker and RB. I could understand their point if that was the case.....people who were livid we sold Walker and who think Janssen is crap, yet they are only babbling on about CMs and wingers.
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That's fine. I am just not interested in arguing a point with you when you would change your mind based on what poch does. It is a bit pointless.
You have faith in poch if he spends nothing or big.

Also, you have said chelsea bought the title & if city win it next season then they would be.
Now you are pretending chelsea didn't spend big.

if city win the title you will say they bought it right? But you also say spending bigs a waste of time.

anyway, you carry on changing your story to whatever.
 
Mockers said:
We are becoming a bit of a parody at this point.

I don't know whether we're an easy target for these sorts of headlines or we genuinely are this fucking scattergun in our dealings.

I'll never complain about the way Levy rubs the club and the direction he's taking us in but my god he's fucking frustrating at times.
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Levy is a guy constantly looking for value, reading the many many many dealings we have had down the years from media, 'ITK' etc you get the impression he doesn't easily frustrate, he just holds his nerve, often right to the wire.

From a financial point of view that is brilliant, he sells high, buys low. Football wise it's mixed, getting players in late fucks pre season somewhat and playing chicken can often mean losing targets. The game changer is Poch, a manager who will work with cheaper younger players and develop them, Poch has an amazing poker face so it's hard to tell whether he is happy with the methods we use or whether he feels we can do a lot more.

Our current strategy can continue as long as we keep Poch, lose him and you feel the wheels could come off with players leaving and development going backwards. Our forward momentum is freightening linked to one man, that is where the danger lies and that is where Levy must make compromises to make sure we hold him.

Just imagine losing Poch and we get another AVB or Sherwood.
 
BUYLEDLEYNEWKNEES said:
In regards to our usual late transfer dealings does everyone always believe its our/Levy's fault?

Most of the better players who end up at Spurs don't come to us because we're Spurs, they come because the 5 teams in the league who could pay more or the 10 or so elite European clubs don't want them. We Are as someone above put it still in that second tier or B+ club when all players want to go to the category A club.

Especially with agents as they are and late business doing the merry go round effect I'd say players often want to hold out to the last opportunity before commuting to us, wether that be for more money or assumed silverware.

Not ending on a downer as that's changing, we play the best football in the league, rotate the team well, pay well above most other teams, have a world class coach and facilities and soon one of the swankiest stadiums in world football with an increased revenue and probably wages if we want to keep our elite players, along with champions league football and hopefully more challenging for titles to come.

Apologies for the long post, waiting for my pie to cook (steak and ale obviously).:pochsmirk:
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As i suggested in my previous post i would say it's a bit from Column A a bit from Column B.

I understand that a player transfer is nowhere near as simple a transaction as most would like to believe.
Both teams need to agree a fee. The player needs to agree terms including wages, bonuses, Intellectual rights including the players individual sponsorship need to be considered. Thats without going into third party ownership which is an increasing problem particularly with South American players (sorry Poch).

That said; the stories of Levys brinkmanship and his steadfast resolve not to be taken advantage of (ultimately with the long term interest of the club at his heart), even if it risks losing out on a player are surely not unfounded.

Nathan TTT TTT tweeted an interesting spreadsheet that showed Pochs transfers over his three years at the club, when they occurred during the window and whether they were deemed a success or not.

It showed that moving early on first choice transfer targets is obviously preferential, but i would say failing to secure these targets isnt always down to "Levy penny pinching".
 
Colonel_K said:
Talking of fairy land... how can we afford to drop £60m on one player. You're forgetting it's not just the transfer fee but also the salary, which of it was £150kpw works out at £39m over 5 years. Which in turn affects our wage structure. I'd rather money pumped into paying our existing players more.
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Hang on, you didn't include salary on chelsea's title winning team.
They have a big wage bill but don't spend big according to you.
 
ArcspacE said:
Atletico Madrid won La Liga and reached a CL final while doing so - with a fraction of the budget of the big 2. Juventus did the same few years back. That's just 2 examples that come mind .
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He said consistently win trophies.

Estadio Wanda Metropolitano is an expansion of a stadium already in existence at a cost less of a 1/4th of ours and not being built from the ground up. Atletico have won 2 trophies during the period of expansion. Juventus' ground cost less than 1/6th of ours. Not quite the same handicap.
 
scott said:
Except that the teams who regularly win titles spend big.
Let me know when you come up with a team who regularly wins titles without spending big. Utd still spent big under saf.
Your other examples are from abroad & not that recent.
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Sevilla won the Europa League in 2014, 2015, and 2016. That's quite recent. SAF spent much less on tranfers than either Chelsea or Man City in years competing against them. And football is a global game, if you rely on only English examples you're ignoring roughly 95% of the sport.

You are making an arbitrary claim. "spend big". Define big? If you spend a % less than your rivals is it not spending big? Or is it an absolute dollar amount, adjust or not adjusted for inflation?

The facts are this: Spurs are building a stadium. Spurs are also an on-going business with expenses and regular business things like payroll to consider. Transfers cost money. Right now, English clubs are charged more money than other clubs because the PL spent so long talking shit about how much money they got that other clubs noticed. There are very few players available for transfer to Spurs who would be able to join the club as a useful depth choice who are also content to sit on our bench instead of starting for other teams. There are NO players available for transfer to Spurs who would improve our starting 11 bar at right back.

We're not spending 50 million on a player. We're not paying them more than the rest of the squad. We're trying to avoid having to give everyone pay raises all the time so that cash can be devoted to building the stadium.

The club operates under very real constraints. If you have solutions to those constraints other than "ENIC need to operate the club at a loss because I demand other people treat their property as I wish", then let's hear them. If you don't, then I don't see what point there is in having a discussion about these topics.
 
Totti said:
The majority of our team are on more money than mostly all of those at Atletico Madrid and even Dortmund.

Has it stopped them from competing? Atletico seem to reach the semi final of the Champions League every season as well as cementing themselves as a top 3 side and La Liga winner in the last few years.

Hard work and togetherness is alot more important than money and if you belong to a team that thrives on that with a manager you'd die for, you'll get rewards.

We will get there, regardless of finances.
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Yeah chelsea are a good example too.
Don't spend big but win titles.
 
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