Thing is with the pressure in the PL for success that time is getting shorter and shorter, Levy & the board may take the view Poch has had enough and well we know too well how it goes then.
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The race for second place.
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Thing is with the pressure in the PL for success that time is getting shorter and shorter, Levy & the board may take the view Poch has had enough and well we know too well how it goes then.
Absolutely no way is it. The stadium has been in the making for over ten years mate, in this time we've qualified for CL 3 times, the ONLY three times in our history. When build of it finally started, we were not in CL. Essential no, welcomed of coarse, it will bring into the club approx £40m each year we qualify for it and it will mean two of our rivals will miss out (suspect that will only really effect Liverpool and may be Chelsea as they look to be transitioning to a different financial model but this isn't clear just yet, all the others are seriously wedged).
Our trigger happy Chairman has sacked every manager with good reason apart from Jol and has publicly waxed lyrical about Poch, something he has never done before in his entire 2 decades. To back this up even further Poch is our longest standing manger since Burkinshaw, furthermore he was given a new 5.5yr deal a little over a year ago, significant in that no manager in the entire history of the club has ever been given a deal this long.
I disagree. I think Levy has found his man and knows this man could be our new Bill Nicholson. Honestly I would back Poch all the way and wouldn't get rid of him unless he talked himself out of a job.
Sugar did absolutely fuck all. He re-negociated a new loan with Midland Bank, that was it. He or any new owner would have had to do that or the club would have gone into administration.
Bit much to compare him to the great Bill Nicholson, he’s got a lot more work to do before he is worthy of any honour like comparing him to Bill Nicholson as I’m sure others will agree going by comments re Poch on recent match threads. You’re entitled to that opinion of course but for now i’ll agree to differ mate.
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Don’t think so.
That's all he did mate, what else do you think he did other than turn us into a Circus and take out mega millions and giving him the public profile he still has today. The bloke is a total wanker.
The real person that did fuck all was Venables, he was just milking it for as much as he could get, and trying to claim all the credit for it.....read Sugars book. Where would we be without Sugar stepping in in the first place?
Well Sugar’s book is probably not the best place to start if one is looking for an impartial account of that part of our history.
No way am I reading Sugar's book, don't want to give a single shekel towards his bulging pockets. He's a self publicist, obsessed by self publicity, traded off it most of his business life, doubt a single word has any truth to it.
I agree about Venables, I was in my early twenties when the two were waging war over Tottenham and I was backing Venables all the way. Why? Because I like football and Venables was ex-player and was our Manger and FA Cup winner as both. Only after the events I felt dirty once I learned of Venables fingers were in every pie taking money out of the club illegally. But his actions do not make Sugars right, good or brilliant.
You still have omitted to say what he did that saved us.
I'm not saying this thread is predictable, but...
One post after another isn't it
If you want to blame anyone, blame the board when Scholar was in charge for failing to manage the club sustainably. We had a ton of ideas in that period which were to turn out to be correct, 10 years later. We were trying to be a Premier League club in the midst of the First Division's lowest ebb. Had the club been run a bit more smartly during that period, there would have been no financial crisis to kneecap us at the dawn of the Premier League.
That's why i said COULD!
the ideas are the easy bit, we can all do a bit of blue sky thinking. The trick is to implement them well so they are commercially successful.
Scolar's brainy ideas all lost money. It was the football that was cross subsidising ticketing software, sports clothing, and whatever else took his fancy. It wasnt the timing - it was the crap implementation.
But Scolar had made all his money out of property. In a booming market. Right place at the right time. And he wasnt the only one that got caught out when they thought that they knew everything about everything and fucked up a football club and put us in the doldrums for 20 years. Over 20 years of the fastest growing revenues the game had ever seen. Boy did we miss out.
Sugar? Urgh. He was better than Scolar, because we didnt go bust again (and how could you go bust in the PL unless you were totally incompetent?). But that is setting the bar very low indeed.
Fair and correct, but also it goes back to my point that the board in that period was at fault. No one took a moment to say "should we cover our asses in case something goes to shit?" And we all know the consequences.
The current period is easy to make money in, but hard to grown in. Every PL club bar a couple actually make a profit. But none have improved their station and bridged the gap to the tier above them. Except us. Every other fucker has talked about doing it, but none have. And for that matter, no other club in Europe has, without oil money, a Russian oligarch, or Red Bull.
Football now it’s all about money....who got any respect for Man City or the Chavs bought it pure and simple, not the way in my book.
Going back to the top 4 itself, it's a very interesting picture, after City.
Here's the top 6's points, Goals For, Goals Against, xG for and xG against, using understat.com's numbers:
City 65, 70, 18, 61.51, 16.80
MUFC 53, 49, 16, 48.60, 28.93
Chelsea 50, 45, 16, 38.25, 19.45
Liverpool 47, 54, 29, 50.71, 24.08
Spurs 45, 47, 22, 45.50, 19.86
Woolwich 42, 45, 31, 46.85, 27.99
While Chelsea and Man Utd have an edge in points on the board, they do no actually perform like teams which normally would be getting those kinds of results. Chelsea's attack has steadily declined to the point where they are panicking and trying to sign Peter Crouch. Man Utd on the other hand have somehow had 12 less goals scored on them that one would expect given how many shots they give up, and where they give them up. Said another way, David De Gea is having the best GK season in memory, and baring this really being a season for the gods, when things cool off then Jose is going to be having some awkward press conferences about results.
So, it's a contest between if Spurs and Liverpool's superior general play are able to catch up and pass MUFC and Chelsea's lucky results/hot keeper. If they do, we're in the top 4. If not, we're 5th. At this point, it's a crapshoot.
Here's the top 6's points, Goals For, Goals Against, xG for and xG against, using understat.com's numbers:
City 65, 70, 18, 61.51, 16.80
MUFC 53, 49, 16, 48.60, 28.93
Chelsea 50, 45, 16, 38.25, 19.45
Liverpool 47, 54, 29, 50.71, 24.08
Spurs 45, 47, 22, 45.50, 19.86
Woolwich 42, 45, 31, 46.85, 27.99
While Chelsea and Man Utd have an edge in points on the board, they do no actually perform like teams which normally would be getting those kinds of results. Chelsea's attack has steadily declined to the point where they are panicking and trying to sign Peter Crouch. Man Utd on the other hand have somehow had 12 less goals scored on them that one would expect given how many shots they give up, and where they give them up. Said another way, David De Gea is having the best GK season in memory, and baring this really being a season for the gods, when things cool off then Jose is going to be having some awkward press conferences about results.
So, it's a contest between if Spurs and Liverpool's superior general play are able to catch up and pass MUFC and Chelsea's lucky results/hot keeper. If they do, we're in the top 4. If not, we're 5th. At this point, it's a crapshoot.
Where would you suggest thens mate?
Could/should......to be honest i’m still shaking my head in disbelief that you even mention Poch in comparison to the great Bill Nicholson.....unbelievable!! he’s only been here a few season, we’re only his 3rd club and you come out with that.....easily impressed i’d say.
Why shouldn't i? He's taken over a fairly average bloated squad got rid of the dead wood, brought through some young and talented academy players and along with some good signings turned them into title contenders in a short space of time. I'd say he has done a fantastic job so far and that is why i said he COULD not WOULD or even SHOULD turn out to be this generations Bill Nicholson that is the difference. The prospect of winning silverwear under this man is scintilating. He is a man of great focus and is very driven - he is not done with us by a long shot. We are lucky to have him over the likes of the embarassing Mourinho/Conte.